Is suicide really selfish?

[Martinus]

So, every time someone commits suicide you get those voices that "suicide is selfish" etc.

But is it really? Isn't it more selfish to expect people living in pain and anguish - be it physical or mental - to continue living for our pleasure, so they can be in our lives, or worse still, make more movies or entertain us?

Discuss.

Edit: For the record, I am not contemplating suicide. I just find it to be a valid option.

[DGuller]

Yes and no.

[Liep]

Yes and no.

I agree.

[Viking]

I vote we ban Martinus again if this is how he chooses to return.

And, to your question, in your case it would be altruistic.

[Tonitrus]

Yes it is.

But selfishness is not always bad.

[CountDeMoney]

No, it is not.

It is the singular most independent act of individuality and free will one can take in this absurd existence.

Now, whether you take others with you...well, that as Oprah would say, is for another show.

[The Brain]

Here we go again.

[CountDeMoney]

If you want to commit suicide but want to be guilt-free for the family, go the plausible deniability route and buy a motorcycle.

[Eddie Teach]

But is it really? Isn't it more selfish to expect people living in pain and anguish - be it physical or mental - to continue living for our pleasure, so they can be in our lives, or worse still, make more movies or entertain us?

Both are selfish, just as the vast majority of other decisions we make and feelings we have. A lot of people don't seem to recognize the difference between selfishness and greed.

[Barrister]

So, every time someone commits suicide you get those voices that "suicide is selfish" etc.

But is it really? Isn't it more selfish to expect people living in pain and anguish - be it physical or mental - to continue living for our pleasure, so they can be in our lives, or worse still, make more movies or entertain us?

Discuss.

Edit: For the record, I am not contemplating suicide. I just find it to be a valid option.

Yes, it is selfish.

Let's talk about Robin Williams, since that's what prompted the question.  It's has nothing to do with the fans - he doesn't owe us squat.

But he had three kids and a wife who by all accounts miss their dad terribly.  It is they who have forever lost their father or husband, and because of them it is a selfish act.

[garbon]

Yes, of course.

[CountDeMoney]

But he had three kids and a wife who by all accounts miss their dad terribly.  It is they who have forever lost their father or husband, and because of them it is a selfish act.

It was obvious that he had had enough.  And that was his call to make.

[Barrister]

It was obvious that he had had enough.  And that was his call to make.

No, it was obvious he was having a bad day, and made a bad decision in a moment of pain.

[Josquius]

He's back, wow.

Only those people who throw themselves in front of trains are selfish.
If you can do it in a manner that doesn't inconvenience anyone then its fine.

[Eddie Teach]

It's obvious that nobody on this forum knew him well enough to know what they're talking about.