The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD

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Martinus

#1710
April 29, 2015, 03:42:57 PM
I like pork. :mmm:

derspiess

#1711
April 29, 2015, 03:45:16 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 29, 2015, 02:01:38 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 29, 2015, 11:36:20 AM
Seems like a chicken or egg kinda thing.

Whether the police forces who took the surplus military equipment wanted to play soldier before getting the equipment or whether obtaining the equipment caused them to want to play soldier?

Ah, forgot where I was when I posted that.  Never mind.
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garbon

#1712
April 29, 2015, 04:14:20 PM
I have to say that I'm not sad to be missing out on all this post-racial controversy that has been going on in the waning days of Obama.
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crazy canuck

#1713
April 29, 2015, 04:16:43 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 29, 2015, 04:14:20 PM
I have to say that I'm not sad to be missing out on all this post-racial controversy that has been going on in the waning days of Obama.

I am not sure what the Obama administration coming to an end has to do with it.

garbon

#1714
April 29, 2015, 04:18:54 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 29, 2015, 04:16:43 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 29, 2015, 04:14:20 PM
I have to say that I'm not sad to be missing out on all this post-racial controversy that has been going on in the waning days of Obama.

I am not sure what the Obama administration coming to an end has to do with it.

Oh nothing. It was just that there had been so many hopes of America becoming more post-racial when we elected a black president. :(
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."

I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

crazy canuck

#1715
April 29, 2015, 04:23:04 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 29, 2015, 04:18:54 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 29, 2015, 04:16:43 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 29, 2015, 04:14:20 PM
I have to say that I'm not sad to be missing out on all this post-racial controversy that has been going on in the waning days of Obama.

I am not sure what the Obama administration coming to an end has to do with it.

Oh nothing. It was just that there had been so many hopes of America becoming more post-racial when we elected a black president. :(

Perhaps the people who voted for him thought that might occur but the picture depicting Obama as a monkey (and its popularity) probably alerted everyone to the fact that it would take more than one black president to move the US to a post-racial society.

derspiess

#1716
April 29, 2015, 06:16:00 PM
People were depicting Dubya as a monkey and it even made its way on to t-shirts.  I guess we're only allowed to ridicule our authority figures if they're white.
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dps

#1717
April 29, 2015, 06:47:23 PM
Quote from: Valmy on April 29, 2015, 10:34:22 AM
Quote from: Berkut on April 29, 2015, 10:15:57 AM
There is more at work here than just the militarization, of course. The racism involved in what is happening in some of these places has little to do with that directly.

It is the effect of one upon the other.

The military is probably the most well-integrated part of our society.  Race relations are one area where police forces might benefit from being more like the military.

grumbler

#1718
April 29, 2015, 06:57:48 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 29, 2015, 06:16:00 PM
People were depicting Dubya as a monkey and it even made its way on to t-shirts.  I guess we're only allowed to ridicule use a money as a symbol for our authority figures if they're white.

Fixed that, and duh!  You are smarter than to post that shit.
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grumbler

#1719
April 29, 2015, 06:59:15 PM
Quote from: dps on April 29, 2015, 06:47:23 PM
The military is probably the most well-integrated part of our society.  Race relations are one area where police forces might benefit from being more like the military.

I also think the military has a lot more respect for "civilians" than the average cop, sad though that is to say.
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Ed Anger

#1720
April 29, 2015, 07:36:32 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 29, 2015, 03:45:16 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 29, 2015, 02:01:38 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 29, 2015, 11:36:20 AM
Seems like a chicken or egg kinda thing.

Whether the police forces who took the surplus military equipment wanted to play soldier before getting the equipment or whether obtaining the equipment caused them to want to play soldier?

Ah, forgot where I was when I posted that.  Never mind.

:lol:
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#1721
April 29, 2015, 07:46:09 PM
Quote from: grumbler on April 29, 2015, 06:59:15 PM
Quote from: dps on April 29, 2015, 06:47:23 PM
The military is probably the most well-integrated part of our society.  Race relations are one area where police forces might benefit from being more like the military.

I also think the military has a lot more respect for "civilians" than the average cop, sad though that is to say.

Interesting statement, but true.
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Razgovory

#1722
April 29, 2015, 07:46:47 PM
Quote from: Valmy on April 29, 2015, 10:43:46 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 29, 2015, 10:40:02 AM
And this caused the riot?

Well we have not had major riots like this since the 1960s. Mistrust of the police and authorities also featured there completely coincidentally. Or not so coincidentally.

:huh:   I'm fairly certain we have.  Big one in 1992.  Smaller one in Cinncy a decade ago.
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HVC

#1723
April 29, 2015, 07:47:26 PM
Quote from: derspiess on April 29, 2015, 06:16:00 PM
People were depicting Dubya as a monkey and it even made its way on to t-shirts.  I guess we're only allowed to ridicule our authority figures if they're white.
even you have to know that the context of these two situations is very different.
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#1724
April 30, 2015, 08:46:29 AM
Quote from: garbon on April 29, 2015, 04:18:54 PM
Oh nothing. It was just that there had been so many hopes of America becoming more post-racial when we elected a black president. :(

It's a process.
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