The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD

Started by Syt, August 11, 2014, 04:09:04 AM

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HVC

#7440
January 10, 2026, 06:17:39 PM Last Edit: January 10, 2026, 06:19:15 PM by HVC
Actually, on the note, is it the law that you have to move aside for cop cars? It's my (perhaps mistaken) belief that it's not the case here in Ontario. More of a courtesy/custom than a law. Is it the same in the states? If not then it's at most a traffic violation* which again does ICE have the power to enforce.

*although not really because as I said above theres maneuvering space around her.

*edit* looked it up, I'm wrong. It's the law that you"if safe to do so" which, if there's a bunch of people around with guns I'm not sure how safe it is.
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grumbler

#7441
January 10, 2026, 06:24:34 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 10, 2026, 06:10:05 PM
Quote from: Zoupa on January 10, 2026, 04:58:27 PMHow would removing the driver unblock their vehicles? It's nonsensical.


It's nonsensical if you think obstruction should not be illegal (it's a misdemeanor) or if you think there should  be no             consequences for breaking that law.

If you think that she is obstructing something when we clearly see her wave a car past her (and it easily clears her vehicle) and then wave the ICE vehicles through, I can only note that I prefer to believe my lying eyes.

If one of the shots the ICE agent fired when he was two feet clear of the car shooting through the open driver's side window was the fatal shot, was the driver still "obstructing" anything but his bullets?

Was the doctor on the scene who tried to come to her aid after the crash, but was told to "back the fuck off" even after identifying himself also "obstructing" and should he also have been shot in the head?
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grumbler

#7442
January 10, 2026, 06:27:13 PM
Quote from: HVC on January 10, 2026, 06:14:44 PMDoes ICE even have to power to enforce that law? Assuming it's even obstruction which I'm not sure it is since from the video theres plenty of space for through traffic so not sure that they're obstructing.

ICE has no law enforcement authority over US citizens unless they are actively impeding ICE agents (in which case they can be detained and turned over to local authorities).
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Admiral Yi

#7443
January 10, 2026, 06:48:17 PM
Quote from: HVC on January 10, 2026, 06:14:44 PMDoes ICE even have to power to enforce that law? Assuming it's even obstruction which I'm not sure it is since from the video theres plenty of space for through traffic so not sure that they're obstructing.

The lady was stationary in the traffic lane in front of their vehicles. I can't think of a reasonable explanation for the position of her vehicle other than trying to block their movement.  Obviously her car did not break down.  The oncoming lane appears empty, so perhaps at the lady's hypothetical trial the judge or jury  would have found her not guilty of obstruction.  I don't know.

Razgovory

#7444
January 10, 2026, 07:16:52 PM
Quote from: Jacob on January 10, 2026, 04:42:37 PMI just saw the video.

Looks like the guy just executes her for turning her vehicle around at a slow pace.

I can't find the right word to describe the combination if horror and incredulity from that scene.
I'm normally pretty deferential to law enforcement, but this killing... yeesh.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

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grumbler

#7445
January 10, 2026, 07:27:34 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 10, 2026, 06:48:17 PMThe lady was stationary in the traffic lane in front of their vehicles. I can't think of a reasonable explanation for the position of her vehicle other than trying to block their movement.  Obviously her car did not break down.  The oncoming lane appears empty, so perhaps at the lady's hypothetical trial the judge or jury  would have found her not guilty of obstruction.  I don't know.

Obstruction does not come from the position of one's car, but rather from the impact of that position. Trafic clearly can and does go by in spite of her car's position, and you can even see her wave the ICE car forward (as she did the car in front the ICE car). The ICE agents were not obstructed, so the local DA (who would have jurisdiction in the case) would not even have tried to charge her with obstruction.

The entire confrontation was wholly voluntarily started by the ICE officers. They make no attempt to get her to move her car.  Their very first words are "get out of the frucking car" and after they shoot her they exclaim "fucking bitch!"

This entire incident could have been avoided had ICE assigned even one professional to this team of violent thugs, because no professional would have allowed this to escalate to murder.
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Razgovory

#7447
January 10, 2026, 07:58:17 PM
Yeah, it's not good.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Zoupa

#7448
January 10, 2026, 08:07:15 PM
Apparently the shooter has been with CBP/DHS/ICE for over 20 years. It makes his reaction even more baffling as I imagine he would have had this type of interaction many times before.

Sheilbh

#7449
January 10, 2026, 08:11:19 PM
Yeah I think the difference is the type of political cover he has/they all have now.
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Legbiter

#7450
January 10, 2026, 08:36:08 PM
Quote from: Zoupa on January 10, 2026, 08:07:15 PMApparently the shooter has been with CBP/DHS/ICE for over 20 years. It makes his reaction even more baffling as I imagine he would have had this type of interaction many times before.

Wild.

Anyway if the Americans are so based and free then why are they tolerating masked paramilitaries shoving guns into people's faces and demanding to see loicense?
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Zoupa

#7451
January 10, 2026, 08:48:13 PM
Quote from: Legbiter on January 10, 2026, 08:36:08 PM
Quote from: Zoupa on January 10, 2026, 08:07:15 PMApparently the shooter has been with CBP/DHS/ICE for over 20 years. It makes his reaction even more baffling as I imagine he would have had this type of interaction many times before.

Wild.

Anyway if the Americans are so based and free then why are they tolerating masked paramilitaries shoving guns into people's faces and demanding to see loicense?

Racism, mostly.

Bauer

#7452
January 10, 2026, 10:26:59 PM
Quote from: grumbler on January 10, 2026, 07:27:34 PMThis entire incident could have been avoided had ICE assigned even one professional to this team of violent thugs, because no professional would have allowed this to escalate to murder.

That is the Crux that of the matter. Real law enforcement is supposed to know how to deescalate and resolve conflict in the best interests of public safety.

ICE / Trump admin doesn't have the best interest of public safety in mind.

Tonitrus

#7453
January 10, 2026, 11:36:40 PM
Quote from: Zoupa on January 10, 2026, 08:07:15 PMApparently the shooter has been with CBP/DHS/ICE for over 20 years. It makes his reaction even more baffling as I imagine he would have had this type of interaction many times before.

I don't think even 20+ year veterans of CBP/ICE would have much similar interactions before the last year. The CBP most citizens have had interactions with is checking passports at the border/airports.

Syt

#7454
January 10, 2026, 11:55:59 PM
Quick flashback to 5 years ago when the anti-vaxx MAGA crowd were worried about nazi methods in America.

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