The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD

[Valmy]

A lot more protesters are going to get that takeaway and start showing up armed and/or taking proactive measures against right-wing militias that show up armed.

Yep, one of these days the rooters might get violent.

Well the trick is to keep that violence at a minimum. The overwhelming majority of people do not want violence.

The best solution is, of course, to find ways to stop the protests from starting in the first place. I told you back in 2016 that if this issue of unconstitutionally depriving people of their lives without due process by agents of the state was not handled it would be enormously socially destabilizing. Well here we are and any time this country wants to get serious about this core issue and not just try to deal with the symptoms would be great. It is unlikely to get much better.

[Tonitrus]

This is starting to feel more and more like Jefferson might have been right about that Tree of Liberty thing. 

[HVC]

Shooter killed a white guy, he's screwed.

[Valmy]

Shooter killed a white guy, he's screwed.

The dude in Austin killed a white guy.

[Tonitrus]

According to the current political arithmetic...not if the killed white guy is found to be Antifa. 

[Valmy]

According to the current political arithmetic...not if the killed white guy is found to be Antifa. 

Well you cannot prove any one person ISN'T Antifa.

[merithyn]

According to the current political arithmetic...not if the killed white guy is found to be Antifa. 

Seedy has already called that Trump will give the kid a pardon regardless of any court outcome. He's probably right.

[Eddie Teach]

Secondhand Seedy just isn't the same. 

[Tonitrus]

At least you didn't go with Seedy Seconds. 

[alfred russel]

According to the current political arithmetic...not if the killed white guy is found to be Antifa. 

Seedy has already called that Trump will give the kid a pardon regardless of any court outcome. He's probably right.

He is definitely wrong. While there could be federal tack on crimes, murder is almost always charged as a state crime. Trump can't use the power of the pardon to get someone out of state convictions.

[merithyn]

According to the current political arithmetic...not if the killed white guy is found to be Antifa. 

Seedy has already called that Trump will give the kid a pardon regardless of any court outcome. He's probably right.

He is definitely wrong. While there could be federal tack on crimes, murder is almost always charged as a state crime. Trump can't use the power of the pardon to get someone out of state convictions.

This could be deemed a Federal case because the kid crossed state lines to get away. He's being extradited back to Wisconsin.

[alfred russel]

According to the current political arithmetic...not if the killed white guy is found to be Antifa. 

Seedy has already called that Trump will give the kid a pardon regardless of any court outcome. He's probably right.

He is definitely wrong. While there could be federal tack on crimes, murder is almost always charged as a state crime. Trump can't use the power of the pardon to get someone out of state convictions.

This could be deemed a Federal case because the kid crossed state lines to get away. He's being extradited back to Wisconsin.

Wisconsin has charged him with first degree murder. Trump can't pardon him for that.

[Sheilbh]

I mean the police description of this seems weird:

Kenosha Police Chief Daniel Miskinis confirmed that a 17-year-old Antioch resident has been charged in a shooting incident and said that the man "was involved in the use of firearms to resolve whatever conflict was in place."

Edit: If nothing else it is an outstanding use of the passive voice.

Also is there no chance this would be considered terrorism. It feels like turning up at a political demonstration and shooting people sort of could be?

[merithyn]

According to the current political arithmetic...not if the killed white guy is found to be Antifa. 

Seedy has already called that Trump will give the kid a pardon regardless of any court outcome. He's probably right.

He is definitely wrong. While there could be federal tack on crimes, murder is almost always charged as a state crime. Trump can't use the power of the pardon to get someone out of state convictions.

This could be deemed a Federal case because the kid crossed state lines to get away. He's being extradited back to Wisconsin.

Wisconsin has charged him with first degree murder. Trump can't pardon him for that.

A guy killed a Chinese national student in Illinois. He was initially charged with first degree murder in Illinois. It became a Federal case because he used a car during the crime, and was moved to a federal case so that the death penalty was an option.

I'm not saying you're wrong. I am saying that we don't know yet how this will play out on many levels. The kid can only be pardoned by Trump if Trump wins and they change the venue. What makes you think that Trump won't push them to change the venue to a federal crime?

[alfred russel]

A guy killed a Chinese national student in Illinois. He was initially charged with first degree murder in Illinois. It became a Federal case because he used a car during the crime, and was moved to a federal case so that the death penalty was an option.

I'm not saying you're wrong. I am saying that we don't know yet how this will play out on many levels. The kid can only be pardoned by Trump if Trump wins and they change the venue. What makes you think that Trump won't push them to change the venue to a federal crime?

So if under some theory he gets charged with a federal crime, the feds get first dibs on the trial, and Trump gives him a full pardon, then the dude has to go face state murder charges in Wisconsin.