The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD

[viper37]

Sometimes that means you let them take the first shot, if the alternative is to summarily execute anyone whose hands go where you don't like them going.

that's not really an option.  Well, with a taser, yes.  With a real (or even possible) gun, no.  Non lethal shots should be attempted, but unless mistaken, cops are trained to shoot center-mass so they don't miss and eliminate the source of danger.

With the taser situation, the cops had his indentity already.  Letting him go, and sending a patrol to pick him up at his place, or following him from a distance could have been a better situation.  I guess instincts prevailed
With mental illness, cops are badly equipped to deal with his.  Their specialty is protecting the public and themselves from violent criminals (psychopaths).  There are other, more qualified people that should be added as a resource, even when someone is possibly armed.  Just like cops don't go in a barricaded place until after they had a negotiator on site.  "Pointing" a gun and shooting with it should be treated differently, imho.  Anything but that had got to be better, and not neccessarly risk the live(s) of the officer(s).

[viper37]

How often do American cops use warning shots?

According to my extensive research by years of watching american tv series and movies, never.

[viper37]

Is there any police organization in the world which deals with these situations in a way that is considered best practice? If so, how do they deal with these situations? Copy their methods.

I don't think any approach is so universally good that it would work with a simple copy/paste.

[viper37]

France has it's own racism problem too. American culture poisons everything.

Well, France did not wait on the US to be racist, I think

Everyone has their own problems.  We have no need of importing others into or own.

[viper37]

I don't understand your last paragraph. What's the relation to the rest of your post?

Sorry, I didn't think you needed to be spoon fed. How many covid deaths do you think will result from gatherings like the one pictured?

When it comes to leftist protests, the cause outweighs the negative outcomes.  Or so we were told by our idiotic Prime Minister.

[viper37]

Chipwich and Raz: don't shoot the dude with the taser. I get it if you are alone, but not if you have backup.

OK, dude has not been shot.  What next?

at some point he let go of the taser, maybe falls asleep elsewhere.  Then you pick him up, arrest him, slap a charge of assaulting a police officer on top of the DUI.  Next time, he'll think twice about drinking.  No protest, no legal fees for the police department, no investigation into some possibly unjustified death.

[viper37]

"cops escalate violence out of fear"

then why do they?
I mean, if they don't fear for their security of the security of the public, why do they escalate the violence then?

I don't know what it is to be a cop, but if I was a cop and I wasn't fearing for my life, the life of my partners, the life of the public, I don't think I would escalate the violence...

[viper37]

Chipwich and Raz: don't shoot the dude with the taser. I get it if you are alone, but not if you have backup.

OK, dude has not been shot.  What next?

Tell him to put the taser down.

Dude fell asleep at a Wendy's drive thru and took a taser. They weren't trying to apprehend someone on America's Most Wanted. The sky wouldn't fall if he got away (and he probably wouldn't because he would be leaving his car behind).

So basically "Stop or we'll say "stop" again?".  I'm not sure if I like the model of legal immunity so long as you can run very fast.

You have a weird definition of imminuty.

They the dude's car.  They have his driver's license.  Do you think he is going to run away and disapear forever  with the taser, maybe switch identity, move to a country with no extradition treaty?  All before the cops can get to his place and wait for him there?

[Maladict]

I don't think anyone has mentioned a big difference between US cops and their other western counterparts. Gun ownership means US police will encounter a much higher number of armed civilians. Here police rarely deal with an armed civilian in the street (outside of gang related stuff) so they won't automatically assume someone is reaching for a gun.

[The Brain]

How often do American cops use warning shots?

Addendum: according to Swedish police, in Sweden cops fire for effect (leg or center of mass depending on the situation) a little more than 15 times a year. They also fire warning shots a little more than 15 times a year. It is not perfectly clear how they count instances where the cops first fire warning shots and then for effect.

[11B4V]

I don't think anyone has mentioned a big difference between US cops and their other western counterparts. Gun ownership means US police will encounter a much higher number of armed civilians. Here police rarely deal with an armed civilian in the street (outside of gang related stuff) so they won't automatically assume someone is reaching for a gun.

Oh it's come up multiple times. Where you been, under a rock.

[Maladict]

I don't think anyone has mentioned a big difference between US cops and their other western counterparts. Gun ownership means US police will encounter a much higher number of armed civilians. Here police rarely deal with an armed civilian in the street (outside of gang related stuff) so they won't automatically assume someone is reaching for a gun.

Oh it's come up multiple times. Where you been, under a rock.

Apparently. Haven't heard it mentioned over the last few weeks, here or in the media.

[jimmy olsen]

 
https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1272725083983929345

5️⃣1️⃣4️⃣ Fort Wayne, IN: police teargas a 3-year-old and her mom who weren't even protestors

Then, after volunteers clean off the 3yo, a cop deliberately throws *another* live teargas canister at her feet to douse her again

The cops are rioting

[Maladict]

https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1272725083983929345

5️⃣1️⃣4️⃣ Fort Wayne, IN: police teargas a 3-year-old and her mom who weren't even protestors

Then, after volunteers clean off the 3yo, a cop deliberately throws *another* live teargas canister at her feet to douse her again

The cops are rioting

I detest Twitter, but this guy's feed almost makes me sign up. Over 500 documented cases already, a lot of them loook pretty damning even if recordings are taken out of context.

[Syt]

A large part of the Twitter experience depends on who you follow. If you stay away from "controversial" accounts, and focus on topical ones (like the excellent https://twitter.com/PulpLibrarian ) relevant to your interests, then you will generally be fine.