The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD

[merithyn]

To me, the sadder reflection on modern society is that pretty much everyone there is pointing a camera/mobile phone camera at the event for their later self-aggrandizement on Instragram/Facebook.

I went downtown to document things. I didn't take a single selfie, but I did take a ton of pictures.

I'm glad people are doing more of that. Even with their mean mugs in the photos.

[Zoupa]

Personally, I think destroying statues is a sign of a free people. When the American Revolution broke out the people of New York destroyed the statue of George III.

Maybe the statue just tripped and fell.

Also it had a troubled past, probably preexisting conditions.

[merithyn]

Personally, I think destroying statues is a sign of a free people. When the American Revolution broke out the people of New York destroyed the statue of George III.

Maybe the statue just tripped and fell.

Also it had a troubled past, probably preexisting conditions.

If they'd have just followed orders, they wouldn't have had any problems. I've never had any problems, and it's because I always follow orders.

[Zoupa]

It was probably intoxicated. We need to wait for the tox screens to come back.

[Tamas]

Mob rule, what else than equality could POSSIBLY result from it?

[HVC]

Mob rule, what else than equality could POSSIBLY result from it?

zoups ok with it as long as its his mob doing the ruling

[Sheilbh]

Mob rule, what else than equality could POSSIBLY result from it?

zoups ok with it as long as its his mob doing the ruling

I mean one man's mob rule is another (better) man's revolution

[HVC]

Mob rule, what else than equality could POSSIBLY result from it?

zoups ok with it as long as its his mob doing the ruling

I mean one man's mob rule is another (better) man's revolution

Fair

I read that they also graffiti'd a Churchill statue. Where was tyr last night

[Barrister]

Mob rule, what else than equality could POSSIBLY result from it?

zoups ok with it as long as its his mob doing the ruling

I mean one man's mob rule is another (better) man's revolution

I dunno man.  Did you see the video where the Mayor of Minneapolis comes out to talk to the protesters?  But all they wanted him to say is he would defund the police.  He wouldn't agree to that, so the protesters shut down any dialogue and booed him to go home.

[DGuller]

I just read an article on what the "defund the police" really means, and how it means not defunding the police.  That may indicate the problem with using this as a slogan.  This is like watching a soccer game where both teams are trying to score into their own goals.

[The Brain]

I just read an article on what the "defund the police" really means, and how it means not defunding the police.  That may indicate the problem with using this as a slogan.  This is like watching a soccer game where both teams are trying to score into their own goals.

What does it mean? Do all who call for it agree on what it means?

[merithyn]

I just read an article on what the "defund the police" really means, and how it means not defunding the police.  That may indicate the problem with using this as a slogan.  This is like watching a soccer game where both teams are trying to score into their own goals.

Yeah, this is really the problem. With the protesters, it has to be slogans, not real policy. But that means that the meanings are almost always lost.

The worst part is that when news crews ask protesters what things look like, what they actually want to see, they don't have an answer. One guy gave the best response, though. He was asked what he was marching for, and he said equality of policing. The reporter asked what that looked like, and he said, "I don't know. I've never seen it."

You can't fault folks for that. As an older black man, he had no idea what being treated like a white guy by police would look and feel like. How can he answer that?

[Admiral Yi]

I just read an article on what the "defund the police" really means, and how it means not defunding the police.  That may indicate the problem with using this as a slogan.  This is like watching a soccer game where both teams are trying to score into their own goals.

Yeah, it's kind of like that thing with abolishing ICE.  A rhetorical trick so that people who really want zero cops can make happy with people who want to hire two social workers and put them in cop uniforms.  I am not expecting any revolutionary changes in policing in Minneapolis.

[The Brain]

And those who own OCP stock.

[Barrister]

I just read an article on what the "defund the police" really means, and how it means not defunding the police.  That may indicate the problem with using this as a slogan.  This is like watching a soccer game where both teams are trying to score into their own goals.

Yeah, it's kind of like that thing with abolishing ICE.  A rhetorical trick so that people who really want zero cops can make happy with people who want to hire two social workers and put them in cop uniforms.  I am not expecting any revolutionary changes in policing in Minneapolis.

In Minneapolis itself, because it's both the epicentre of the protests and because it's a pretty liberal place, I could see them doing something radical.

But I don't see it going much wider than that.