The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD

[crazy canuck]

Perhaps "minority" could work? I mean that's the crux of it isn't it? They got discriminated against because they were a well identifiable  "not us" group for the majority.

That is already a term but it lacks specificity (given you can be a minority even when a physical majority - see women or eventual racial make up of the US; or even a political minority). Also, there's a lot more dignity in being a person of color than a minority.

The phrase that has caught on here is "racialized".  I suppose it works pretty well from the perspective of recognizing the reality that people in that category should be the same as others (whites) but are not.  It also gives a certain bond of solidarity for everyone in that group.

[derspiess]

Nearly all of my friends use people of color, or POC. In encompasses hispanics, blacks, Asians, Native Americans, etc.

What if the Person of Color is super pale.  Like, even paler than I.

[Duque de Bragança]

Nearly all of my friends use people of color, or POC. In encompasses hispanics, blacks, Asians, Native Americans, etc.

What if the Person of Color is super pale.  Like, even paler than I.

Do you mean Hispanic White and/or a pale white who got sunburnt?

[Tamas]

Perhaps "minority" could work? I mean that's the crux of it isn't it? They got discriminated against because they were a well identifiable  "not us" group for the majority.

That is already a term but it lacks specificity (given you can be a minority even when a physical majority - see women or eventual racial make up of the US; or even a political minority). Also, there's a lot more dignity in being a person of color than a minority.

The phrase that has caught on here is "racialized".  I suppose it works pretty well from the perspective of recognizing the reality that people in that category should be the same as others (whites) but are not.  It also gives a certain bond of solidarity for everyone in that group.

If somebody called me racialised I'd never talk to them again.

[merithyn]

Nearly all of my friends use people of color, or POC. In encompasses hispanics, blacks, Asians, Native Americans, etc.

What if the Person of Color is super pale.  Like, even paler than I.

You mean, what if they can pass?

[Valmy]

Nearly all of my friends use people of color, or POC. In encompasses hispanics, blacks, Asians, Native Americans, etc.

What if the Person of Color is super pale.  Like, even paler than I.

So what if they are from Argentina you mean?

The race terms are nonsensical and arbitrary because they refer to something that is not physically real. Yet despite being nonsensical and arbitrary they are really important in our society.

[The Brain]

Perhaps "minority" could work? I mean that's the crux of it isn't it? They got discriminated against because they were a well identifiable  "not us" group for the majority.

That is already a term but it lacks specificity (given you can be a minority even when a physical majority - see women or eventual racial make up of the US; or even a political minority). Also, there's a lot more dignity in being a person of color than a minority.

The phrase that has caught on here is "racialized".  I suppose it works pretty well from the perspective of recognizing the reality that people in that category should be the same as others (whites) but are not.  It also gives a certain bond of solidarity for everyone in that group.

I've encountered it in Sweden as well. It's a horrible term.

[Valmy]

You mean, what if they can pass?

Terms like pass get a little close to race realism to me. But yeah sometimes your identity may not match up with how society categorizes you. That can suck...or not I guess depending.

[The Brain]

Nearly all of my friends use people of color, or POC. In encompasses hispanics, blacks, Asians, Native Americans, etc.

What if the Person of Color is super pale.  Like, even paler than I.

So what if they are from Argentina you mean?

The race terms are nonsensical and arbitrary because they refer to something that is not physically real. Yet despite being nonsensical and arbitrary they are really important in our society.

You honestly can't see if someone is black or white?

[Valmy]

You honestly can't see if someone is black or white?

Well our entire society has struggled with this for centuries. Who gets to be black? Who gets to be white? Spain had a set of laws about that, France had a set of laws about that, and we had our wonderful "one drop rule". If it were so obvious there would probably not be several sets of codified laws trying to untangle it.

But if you extend that to white vs. other then it really gets complicated.

[The Brain]

You honestly can't see if someone is black or white?

Well our entire society has struggled with this for centuries. Who gets to be black? Who gets to be white? Spain had a set of laws about that, France had a set of laws about that, and we had our wonderful "one drop rule".

But if you extend that to white vs. other then it really gets complicated.

Many things are divided by blurry lines. Hardly means that they aren't real. There are no different genres of music? I would say yes there are. Are the lines sometimes blurry af? Hell yeah.

[derspiess]

Nearly all of my friends use people of color, or POC. In encompasses hispanics, blacks, Asians, Native Americans, etc.

What if the Person of Color is super pale.  Like, even paler than I.

You mean, what if they can pass?

Are they still POC? My daughter has Latina heritage but is very pale.

[Malthus]

Perhaps "minority" could work? I mean that's the crux of it isn't it? They got discriminated against because they were a well identifiable  "not us" group for the majority.

That is already a term but it lacks specificity (given you can be a minority even when a physical majority - see women or eventual racial make up of the US; or even a political minority). Also, there's a lot more dignity in being a person of color than a minority.

The phrase that has caught on here is "racialized".  I suppose it works pretty well from the perspective of recognizing the reality that people in that category should be the same as others (whites) but are not.  It also gives a certain bond of solidarity for everyone in that group.

I don't like that term, because it implies as inevitable the very thing we all wish to see disappear - that society treats you different because of this arbitrary category.

I know that the intent is to make it so that the category is something done to people, but it just sounds wrong, like being discriminated against is a done deal that can't ever be changed. Like referring to women as "sexualized".

[Valmy]

My favorite example of this was the rule that only white people could be citizens of the United States. Then after the Civil War it was changed to also include people of African descent. Which created the bizarre situation where Egyptians could get citizenship, no problem, while the Syrians couldn't. So the Syrians sued to be white and they won.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dow_v._United_States

Court held that residents originating from Syria were considered racially "white", and therefore eligible to become naturalized US citizens

See? Syrians are white people, proved in a court of law. Who can argue?

[Duque de Bragança]

Perhaps "minority" could work? I mean that's the crux of it isn't it? They got discriminated against because they were a well identifiable  "not us" group for the majority.

That is already a term but it lacks specificity (given you can be a minority even when a physical majority - see women or eventual racial make up of the US; or even a political minority). Also, there's a lot more dignity in being a person of color than a minority.

The phrase that has caught on here is "racialized".  I suppose it works pretty well from the perspective of recognizing the reality that people in that category should be the same as others (whites) but are not.  It also gives a certain bond of solidarity for everyone in that group.

I've encountered it in Sweden as well. It's a horrible term.

Import from the US Identity Politics Left. Introduced and used in France by extreme-leftist groups such as the so-called Indigènes de la République trying to hide their race-based, more like racist-based, Weltanschauung.