The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD

[Oexmelin]

As has been said a gajilion times, it's mostly because people who want to spend time denouncing looters only want to spend time denouncing looters. If, indeed, it's the only thing that is *troubling you enough that you keep bringing it up, and want to insist on it over and over again* while police violence gets a passing meh, then yes - you are on the wrong side of the issue.

[Monoriu]

It is obvious that looting is wrong.  There, I said it again 

[Oexmelin]

Go choke on poorly cooked noodles.

[Grey Fox]

No justice, no peace!

[Valmy]

It is obvious that looting is wrong.  There, I said it again 

Well congrats. But you are also happy to label everybody protesting the PRC backed regime as a rioter whether they riot or not.

[Ancient Demon]

If you focus on the looting then yeah, you have pretty much missed the point.  But nobody is saying that looting is to be promoted or protected.  The protest and the protesters should be promoted and protected.

Distinguishing between peaceful protesters and rioters is dividing the American people, according to James Mattis.

[Valmy]

It isn't obvious. Prove your point or stop trolling.

It is obvious. The riots and looting haven't stopped.

I don't see why the national guard are insufficient. The rioters are not weilding AK-47s or anything. The regular army is not to be used domestically for this kind of purpose.

But I do not know exactly what has or has not happened today.

[Admiral Yi]

As has been said a gajilion times, it's mostly because people who want to spend time denouncing looters only want to spend time denouncing looters. If, indeed, it's the only thing that is *troubling you enough that you keep bringing it up, and want to insist on it over and over again* while police violence gets a passing meh, then yes - you are on the wrong side of the issue.

And herein lies the rub.  I haven't seen anyone bringing it up "over and over again," with the possible exception of mono.  What you perceive as only spending time denouncing looters I see as a few passing remarks about looting (I said it is bad, DGuller mentioned his Russian video blogger) and a great deal of reaction and emotional response.  DGuller brought up the virtuous human chain protecting a Target, which I interpreted as praise for the law abiding protestors and you took exception to that.  Most of the looting discussion here has not actually been about looting at all, it has been a meta-debate about mentioning looting at all.

[11B4V]

It isn't obvious. Prove your point or stop trolling.

It is obvious. The riots and looting haven't stopped.

I don't see why the national guard are insufficient. The rioters are not weilding AK-47s or anything. The regular army is not to be used domestically for this kind of purpose.

But I do not know exactly what has or has not happened today.

Not according to Trump.

[Monoriu]

It is obvious that looting is wrong.  There, I said it again 

Well congrats. But you are also happy to label everybody protesting the PRC backed regime as a rioter whether they riot or not.

As I have explained in my thread many times, the so called peaceful ones provide financial, tactical, political, and moral support to the rioters.  They are accomplices.  They report the locations of police, deliberately hinder police movement, donate to the rioters etc.  So they are rioters in my book 

[PDH]

If you focus on the looting then yeah, you have pretty much missed the point.  But nobody is saying that looting is to be promoted or protected.  The protest and the protesters should be promoted and protected.

Distinguishing between peaceful protesters and rioters is dividing the American people, according to James Mattis.

Actually, he said: "We must not be distracted by a small number of lawbreakers."  but it seems the distraction is too great.

[11B4V]

It is obvious that looting is wrong.  There, I said it again 

Well congrats. But you are also happy to label everybody protesting the PRC backed regime as a rioter whether they riot or not.

As I have explained in my thread many times, the so called peaceful ones provide financial, tactical, political, and moral support to the rioters.  They are accomplices.  They report the locations of police, deliberately hinder police movement, donate to the rioters etc.  So they are rioters in my book 

Eh, there will always be elements like that. Nothing you can do about it.

[Monoriu]

It is obvious that looting is wrong.  There, I said it again 

Well congrats. But you are also happy to label everybody protesting the PRC backed regime as a rioter whether they riot or not.

As I have explained in my thread many times, the so called peaceful ones provide financial, tactical, political, and moral support to the rioters.  They are accomplices.  They report the locations of police, deliberately hinder police movement, donate to the rioters etc.  So they are rioters in my book 

Eh, there will always be elements like that. Nothing you can do about it.

Of course there is.  HK police has arrested 9k people so far    There is now a policy of arresting everybody in sight. 

[11B4V]

It is obvious that looting is wrong.  There, I said it again 

Well congrats. But you are also happy to label everybody protesting the PRC backed regime as a rioter whether they riot or not.

As I have explained in my thread many times, the so called peaceful ones provide financial, tactical, political, and moral support to the rioters.  They are accomplices.  They report the locations of police, deliberately hinder police movement, donate to the rioters etc.  So they are rioters in my book 

Eh, there will always be elements like that. Nothing you can do about it.

Of course there is.  HK police has arrested 9k people so far    There is now a policy of arresting everybody in sight.

And it will fix nothing. Only make it come back worse.

[Monoriu]

And it will fix nothing. Only make it come back worse.

We'll see.  The application of the "arrest everybody in sight" policy has quieted things down a lot.  The crowds were in the millions last year.  Now they are in low thousands. 

And if that doesn't work, the National Security Law will