The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD

[Sheilbh]

Charleston today - the last 30-40 seconds are what I mean by these protests being incredible examples of classic passive resistance:
https://twitter.com/bentaub91/status/1267840280214069248?s=20

Wow.

And that's the purpose of the protest!

[Tamas]

The amount of time and energy spent discussing looting is a direct function of the amount of push back generated when the issue was first raised.

And a function of the people saying that as there's now looting the protesters probably need to step back and/or do more.

Yeah I recall someone here suggested the protestors should give up now that looting has occurred.

I was saying they should do more or step back, not leave it where it's at.

[Tamas]

Charleston today - the last 30-40 seconds are what I mean by these protests being incredible examples of classic passive resistance:
https://twitter.com/bentaub91/status/1267840280214069248?s=20

Wow.

And that's the purpose of the protest!

[Zoupa]

Charleston today - the last 30-40 seconds are what I mean by these protests being incredible examples of classic passive resistance:
https://twitter.com/bentaub91/status/1267840280214069248?s=20

Wow.

Land of the free and home of the brave. What a joke 

[merithyn]

Charleston today - the last 30-40 seconds are what I mean by these protests being incredible examples of classic passive resistance:
https://twitter.com/bentaub91/status/1267840280214069248?s=20

Wow.

Land of the free and home of the brave. What a joke 

Which is exactly why I say that I'm totally amazed that these "riots" have taken so long to occur. "Land of the free and home of the brave" only pertains to white men (and women if they toe the bigot line). It has been the case since the country's inception.

[Razgovory]

The thing is the looting and property destruction isn't completely unrelated to the issue of police brutality.  In Fergusson, the riots resulted in the closure of the Walmart, the increase in insurance rates for businesses, and decrease of property values.  People ended up losing their jobs, their homes and access to affordable groceries.  The grinding poverty of government housing makes people desperate and they turn to crime which in turn attracts more police scrutiny and more conflict between the police and the community.

Now this doesn't apply everywhere there has been looting.  The looting I've seen looked like it took place in high-end shops.  Still, it's important to remember that property crimes can harm people beyond the folks owning the business and violent protests can do more harm than good for the people the protests are suppose to be for.

Yes, but the lesson to take from all of that is to address the grinding poverty rather than investing more in the police.

Yes, you address poverty by attack the cause, and in this case one of the major causes was the riots.

[Zoupa]

The thing is the looting and property destruction isn't completely unrelated to the issue of police brutality.  In Fergusson, the riots resulted in the closure of the Walmart, the increase in insurance rates for businesses, and decrease of property values.  People ended up losing their jobs, their homes and access to affordable groceries.  The grinding poverty of government housing makes people desperate and they turn to crime which in turn attracts more police scrutiny and more conflict between the police and the community.

Now this doesn't apply everywhere there has been looting.  The looting I've seen looked like it took place in high-end shops.  Still, it's important to remember that property crimes can harm people beyond the folks owning the business and violent protests can do more harm than good for the people the protests are suppose to be for.

Yes, but the lesson to take from all of that is to address the grinding poverty rather than investing more in the police.

Yes, you address poverty by attack the cause, and in this case one of the major causes was the riots.

And what caused the riots? It's almost as if some issues are complex and require doing more than one thing.

[crazy canuck]

The thing is the looting and property destruction isn't completely unrelated to the issue of police brutality.  In Fergusson, the riots resulted in the closure of the Walmart, the increase in insurance rates for businesses, and decrease of property values.  People ended up losing their jobs, their homes and access to affordable groceries.  The grinding poverty of government housing makes people desperate and they turn to crime which in turn attracts more police scrutiny and more conflict between the police and the community.

Now this doesn't apply everywhere there has been looting.  The looting I've seen looked like it took place in high-end shops.  Still, it's important to remember that property crimes can harm people beyond the folks owning the business and violent protests can do more harm than good for the people the protests are suppose to be for.

Yes, but the lesson to take from all of that is to address the grinding poverty rather than investing more in the police.

Yes, you address poverty by attack the cause, and in this case one of the major causes was the riots.

I am pretty sure the grinding poverty is caused by something other than one riot which postdated the grinding poverty.

[Admiral Yi]

The bit in bold seemed particularly striking. The whole piece is interesting.

It does raise for me the question - especially about "lawful orders" - of how far away we are from the President giving an order and the military having to choose whether they think it's lawful and whether they should follow the order or not.

Possibly relevant for the failed/failing state thread or the coup thread.

I was wondering the same thing.

Incidentally, related to this topic, I learned today on NPR that the Enforcement Act of is actually much broader than the deployment of troops to protect constitutional rights, as I was led to believe by a quick read of Wiki.  It also allows the deployment of troops when the enforcement of federal and state laws are threatened.  Last time it was invoked was 1992, in California during the Rodney King riots, at Democratic governor Pete Wilson's request.

[Sheilbh]

I was wondering the same thing.

Incidentally, related to this topic, I learned today on NPR that the Enforcement Act of is actually much broader than the deployment of troops to protect constitutional rights, as I was led to believe by a quick read of Wiki.  It also allows the deployment of troops when the enforcement of federal and state laws are threatened.  Last time it was invoked was 1992, in California during the Rodney King riots, at Democratic governor Pete Wilson's request.

According to my Wiki browsing that's the Insurrection Act (the one Trump is referring to) of 1807, which does, indeed, seem broad:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_Act_of_1807

[Razgovory]

The thing is the looting and property destruction isn't completely unrelated to the issue of police brutality.  In Fergusson, the riots resulted in the closure of the Walmart, the increase in insurance rates for businesses, and decrease of property values.  People ended up losing their jobs, their homes and access to affordable groceries.  The grinding poverty of government housing makes people desperate and they turn to crime which in turn attracts more police scrutiny and more conflict between the police and the community.

Now this doesn't apply everywhere there has been looting.  The looting I've seen looked like it took place in high-end shops.  Still, it's important to remember that property crimes can harm people beyond the folks owning the business and violent protests can do more harm than good for the people the protests are suppose to be for.

Yes, but the lesson to take from all of that is to address the grinding poverty rather than investing more in the police.

Yes, you address poverty by attack the cause, and in this case one of the major causes was the riots.

I am pretty sure the grinding poverty is caused by something other than one riot which postdated the grinding poverty.

The town was fairly well off before the riots.

[PDH]

Last time it was invoked was 1992, in California during the Rodney King riots, at Democratic governor Pete Wilson's request.

Wilson is a Republican

[Admiral Yi]

Wilson is a Republican

My bad.

[Razgovory]

The thing is the looting and property destruction isn't completely unrelated to the issue of police brutality.  In Fergusson, the riots resulted in the closure of the Walmart, the increase in insurance rates for businesses, and decrease of property values.  People ended up losing their jobs, their homes and access to affordable groceries.  The grinding poverty of government housing makes people desperate and they turn to crime which in turn attracts more police scrutiny and more conflict between the police and the community.

Now this doesn't apply everywhere there has been looting.  The looting I've seen looked like it took place in high-end shops.  Still, it's important to remember that property crimes can harm people beyond the folks owning the business and violent protests can do more harm than good for the people the protests are suppose to be for.

Yes, but the lesson to take from all of that is to address the grinding poverty rather than investing more in the police.

Yes, you address poverty by attack the cause, and in this case one of the major causes was the riots.

And what caused the riots? It's almost as if some issues are complex and require doing more than one thing.

A robbery suspect was shot after he punched a police officer in the head and tried to steal his gun.

[merithyn]

A robbery suspect was shot after he punched a police officer in the head and tried to steal his gun.

Allegedly tried to steal the cop's gun. Given what we're seeing today, hard to believe the cop on this one.