The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD

[grumbler]

How much training do US cops have, typically? I seem to recall hearing that it's very little compared to some other countries. In Sweden it takes 2.5 years to become a police officer. Is there such a thing as a typical length of time in the US, if you're talking basic cops?

Academy anywhere from 6-12 mos. FTO phase can be 3 to 12 mos. New officers are usually on two year probation. This does not included any reoccurring in service training such as CIT, HNC, SRT, etc.

But it varies widely.

Yes.  That's serous problem in the US, which has a practically infinite number of police forces.  Fuckups can move from force to force until they find one that can tolerate their inadequacies.

[11B4V]

How much training do US cops have, typically? I seem to recall hearing that it's very little compared to some other countries. In Sweden it takes 2.5 years to become a police officer. Is there such a thing as a typical length of time in the US, if you're talking basic cops?

Academy anywhere from 6-12 mos. FTO phase can be 3 to 12 mos. New officers are usually on two year probation. This does not included any reoccurring in service training such as CIT, HNC, SRT, etc.

But it varies widely.

Yes.  That's serous problem in the US, which has a practically infinite number of police forces.  Fuckups can move from force to force until they find one that can tolerate their inadequacies.

and they find the right "Good Ole Boy" club.

[grumbler]

and they find the right "Good Ole Boy" club.

Yeah, i have to admit that I was a lot more tolerant of the "Blue Wall of Silence" when I benefited it from it.  It is a pretty major barrier to police reform in the US.  My advice to those interested in seeking police reform in the US would be to organize teams to just monitor and record US police activity using cell phones and whatever ad hoc abilities exist.  It seems to me that actual evidence is more persuasive than calls to attack innocent people.

[Admiral Yi]

How many trillions of profit did these banks that took the bailout or disappeared make in the 20 years prior to 2008?

Bagillions and bagillions. 

The point I assume you're trying to make is that if the banks had retained all earnings, not paid dividends, not paid bonuses, and not bought those really high end bagels for the weekly meetings, they would have had enough cash on hand to weather the crisis without resorting to TARP funds.  There is of course the fact that many of the biggest banks were in just that position, and had to be coerced by the government into involuntarily accepting TARP money so that the the money market would not distinguish between weaker banks and stronger banks. 

There's also the unfortunate fact that this doesn't support your original claim, i.e. that banks didn't need TARP money.  Saying they wouldn't have needed the money if they had done X is not the same as saying they didn't need the money in reality.

It also doesn't support Timmy's claim that banks made money by lending money that wasn't repaid, which you at least gave the appearance of rushing to defend.

[alfred russel]

Now I'm under curfew and the national guard is out. I went by the mall today and the national guard is hanging out on armored vehicles, so that is sweet.

[11B4V]

Now I'm under curfew and the national guard is out. I went by the mall today and the national guard is hanging out on armored vehicles, so that is sweet.

Nice!

[Zoupa]

How many trillions of profit did these banks that took the bailout or disappeared make in the 20 years prior to 2008?

Bagillions and bagillions. 

The point I assume you're trying to make is that if the banks had retained all earnings, not paid dividends, not paid bonuses, and not bought those really high end bagels for the weekly meetings, they would have had enough cash on hand to weather the crisis without resorting to TARP funds. 

I mean, yeah. You're arguing in really bad faith here.

I'm not saying to retain ALL earnings. Maybe, oh I dunno, 3 months of running expenses like they tell Joe Plumber to do? Maybe they don't need the expensive bagels? Or the 3rd yacht? Maybe there's no bonus? Does Joe Plumber get a bonus? Why don't they just have salaries?

The pursuit of greed makes for a poorer 99.9%. I don't think there's any argument there, is it?

[Admiral Yi]

I mean, yeah. You're arguing in really bad faith here.

Man you've got a lot of nerve accusing me of arguing in bad faith.  I take exception to several of Timmy's statements, you leap in with a statement that I take exception to as well, you respond by changing the subject and cutting out the part of my post that shows that you're changing the subject and pretending you haven't, and then you accuse me of arguing in bad faith.

[Syt]

Where will America head in this? Will the protests/riots continue or spread?

Or will they peter out without much political consequences as often before?

[11B4V]

Where will America head in this? Will the protests/riots continue or spread?

Or will they peter out without much political consequences as often before?

Peter out.

[Syt]

Where will America head in this? Will the protests/riots continue or spread?

Or will they peter out without much political consequences as often before?

Peter out.

Which I think is quite depressing. It seems to send the message, "Sure, riot if you want to. We'll crack down on you and just let you get it out of your system, and carry on as before."

[11B4V]

Where will America head in this? Will the protests/riots continue or spread?

Or will they peter out without much political consequences as often before?

Peter out.

Which I think is quite depressing. It seems to send the message, "Sure, riot if you want to. We'll crack down on you and just let you get it out of your system, and carry on as before."

Pretty much. But the narrative is already starting to change. Folks are generally Ok with marching, screaming, and blocking highways. It's when they start burning and destroying shot is when sympathy for the cause is lost. Wash, rinse, and repeat.

[garbon]

With generally okay = they ignore it apart from it being a passing conversational topic.

[11B4V]

With generally okay = they ignore it apart from it being a passing conversational topic.

No, folks don't have an issue with protesting. Rioting, yes.

[11B4V]

SPD showed great restraint today despite a couple of patrol cars burned and property damage. Much to the hysteria of local news retards.