The Shooting Gallery: Police Violence MEGATHREAD

[Ed Anger]

The Wiccans in the neighborhood are open carrying now. And it is hilarious. Somebody is gonna shoot themselves in the foot.

[DGuller]

Another day, another murderer with a badge gets off. http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/15/us/jason-stockley-officer-shooting-verdict/index.html

I fear that we're going to reach a point where the criminal justice system will lose its legitimacy, and will be justifiably seen as a tool of oppression.  Nothing good can come of this if that comes to pass.

[Razgovory]

Another day, another murderer with a badge gets off. http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/15/us/jason-stockley-officer-shooting-verdict/index.html

I fear that we're going to reach a point where the criminal justice system will lose its legitimacy, and will be justifiably seen as a tool of oppression.  Nothing good can come of this if that comes to pass.

The national guard is on alert.  Our newest governor is essentially Siege, a crazy army Jew.  He promises to come down hard on any rioting.  Can't say that I blame him.  I wouldn't want to be in St. Louis tonight.

[garbon]

Another day, another murderer with a badge gets off. http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/15/us/jason-stockley-officer-shooting-verdict/index.html

I fear that we're going to reach a point where the criminal justice system will lose its legitimacy, and will be justifiably seen as a tool of oppression.  Nothing good can come of this if that comes to pass.

What do you think will make us reach said point?

[citizen k]

Chemical munitions being used in St Louis residential neighborhoods. 

[Admiral Yi]

Another day, another murderer with a badge gets off. http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/15/us/jason-stockley-officer-shooting-verdict/index.html

I fear that we're going to reach a point where the criminal justice system will lose its legitimacy, and will be justifiably seen as a tool of oppression.  Nothing good can come of this if that comes to pass.

I don't see enough in your link to determine there has been a travesty of justice.

[DGuller]

Cop says he's going to kill the suspect.  Cop proceeds to kill the suspect and plant a gun on him.  Cop is not guilty.

[DGuller]

Another day, another murderer with a badge gets off. http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/15/us/jason-stockley-officer-shooting-verdict/index.html

I fear that we're going to reach a point where the criminal justice system will lose its legitimacy, and will be justifiably seen as a tool of oppression.  Nothing good can come of this if that comes to pass.

What do you think will make us reach said point?

You can't predict what will start a forest fire.  All you can do is notice that there is an awful lot of dry underbrush piled up.

[Admiral Yi]

Cop says he's going to kill the suspect.  Cop proceeds to kill the suspect and plant a gun on him.  Cop is not guilty.

You are stating as fact something that was arbitrated and ruled against.  If you have something besides what was in your link to substantiate your claim, please present it.

[grumbler]

You are stating as fact something that was arbitrated and ruled against.  If you have something besides what was in your link to substantiate your claim, please present it.

I think that the circumstantial evidence and direct evidence don't allow for a lot of reasonable doubt.  The judge essentially said that, since the video evidence didn't directly show the cop planting the gun and he would expect it to, all of the other (very incriminating) evidence wasn't enough.  I find his argument very suspect.

[garbon]

Another day, another murderer with a badge gets off. http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/15/us/jason-stockley-officer-shooting-verdict/index.html

I fear that we're going to reach a point where the criminal justice system will lose its legitimacy, and will be justifiably seen as a tool of oppression.  Nothing good can come of this if that comes to pass.

What do you think will make us reach said point?

You can't predict what will start a forest fire.  All you can do is notice that there is an awful lot of dry underbrush piled up.

I'm just wondering what would change to make it suddenly justifiable to hold that position. Sounds like it already is often a tool of oppression.

[DGuller]

I'm just wondering what would change to make it suddenly justifiable to hold that position. Sounds like it already is often a tool of oppression.

Logically, nothing.  It's just a matter of when emotions will reach a boiling point.  Maybe we're just waiting for a particularly egregious case with a particularly egregious "fuck you" levels of injustice, the one that shocks the conscience of even closet racists.

We're sort of getting into the same arguments that the antifa debate touched upon.  On the one hand, we have a country where there is law and order.  On the other hand, the concept of law and order is that the state is providing a minimum level of justice to the aggrieved parties so that people don't take things into their own hands.  The state has the responsibility to maintain its legitimacy as an arbiter.  The possibility of an uprising is the ultimate check on the state to not abuse its monopoly power on violence.

How do you tell when it's time to take things into your own hands?  It's sort of like deciding when it's time to mutiny.  Whether you were right to do so or not depends on whether you were ultimately successful.

[DGuller]

You are stating as fact something that was arbitrated and ruled against.  If you have something besides what was in your link to substantiate your claim, please present it.

You're setting an awfully high and circular standard for citizens to judge whether a miscarriage of justice has been committed.  If the kangaroo court has seen it, you can't bring it up again.

[CountDeMoney]

I don't see enough in your link to determine there has been a travesty of justice.

People say all kinds of things in the heat of the moment or while in stressful situations, and whether Stockley's statement that "we're killing this motherfucker," which can be ambiguous depending on the context, constituted a real threat of action or was a means of releasing tension has to be judged by his subsequent conduct. The court does not believe Stockley's conduct immediately following the end of the pursuit is consistent with the conduct of a person intentionally killing another person unlawfully.

[Admiral Yi]

You are stating as fact something that was arbitrated and ruled against.  If you have something besides what was in your link to substantiate your claim, please present it.

You're setting an awfully high and circular standard for citizens to judge whether a miscarriage of justice has been committed.  If the kangaroo court has seen it, you can't bring it up again.

In fact I asked you to bring it up again.  In my humble opinion you need some proof to state as fact that "he planted a gun."