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Started by mongers, August 06, 2014, 03:12:53 PM

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August 06, 2014, 03:12:53 PM Last Edit: November 06, 2024, 08:54:29 PM by mongers
I think this is a very real possibility within the next 72 hours:

QuoteNATO says Russia could be poised to invade Ukraine

BRUSSELS Wed Aug 6, 2014 7:55am EDT

 (Reuters) - Russia has amassed around 20,000 combat-ready troops on Ukraine's eastern border and could use the pretext of a humanitarian or peace-keeping mission to invade, NATO said on Wednesday.
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rest of item here:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/06/us-ukraine-crisis-nato-idUSKBN0G613M20140806

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Legbiter

#1
August 06, 2014, 04:10:19 PM
Ukes ain't gonna be pushovers on this. Putin is a fool.
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Viking

#2
August 06, 2014, 04:11:38 PM
When was the last time we had a war where both sides had armor divisions?
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mongers

#3
August 06, 2014, 04:13:07 PM
Quote from: Legbiter on August 06, 2014, 04:10:19 PM
Ukes ain't gonna be pushovers on this. Putin is a fool.

To a large extent I agree.

There was a time within the first week after the Crimea takeover, when Ukrainian morale was so low, Russian forces could have occupied all of East Ukraine in a couple of days.
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mongers

#4
August 06, 2014, 04:13:39 PM
Quote from: Viking on August 06, 2014, 04:11:38 PM
When was the last time we had a war where both sides had armor divisions?

Iraq 2003.
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Valmy

#5
August 06, 2014, 04:20:43 PM
I don't think we sent over any armored divisions.
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alfred russel

#6
August 06, 2014, 04:21:27 PM
Quote from: Viking on August 06, 2014, 04:11:38 PM
When was the last time we had a war where both sides had armor divisions?

Maybe not the last, but maybe the last epic tank battle:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Medina_Ridge

Tank Losses:
US 0 (1 fatality due to friendly fire)
Iraq 186 tanks, 127 AFVs

Battle Length:
2 hours
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CountDeMoney

#7
August 06, 2014, 04:23:15 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 06, 2014, 04:20:43 PM
I don't think we sent over any armored divisions.

Americans :rolleyes:

derspiess

#8
August 06, 2014, 04:25:22 PM
I don't think anything will happen.  They will need more than 20,000 troops to do anything.  They had more than that massed at the border before and then backed down.  Uncle Vlad may be trying to scare, intimidate, or provoke the Ukes but I don't see him invading.
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Malthus

#9
August 06, 2014, 04:27:45 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 06, 2014, 04:20:43 PM
I don't think we sent over any armored divisions.

The UK sent the 1st Armoured Division.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Iraq_(2003)_order_of_battle
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Legbiter

#10
August 06, 2014, 04:31:12 PM
Quote from: derspiess on August 06, 2014, 04:25:22 PM
I don't think anything will happen.  They will need more than 20,000 troops to do anything.  They had more than that massed at the border before and then backed down.  Uncle Vlad may be trying to scare, intimidate, or provoke the Ukes but I don't see him invading.

Who knows, send in what you have now, take your sweet time to wring maximum soap-opera/propaganda value out of it while reinforcements arrive in dribs and drabs, Russian improvisation style. .
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Razgovory

#11
August 06, 2014, 04:57:08 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 06, 2014, 04:20:43 PM
I don't think we sent over any armored divisions.

The British did.
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Valmy

#12
August 06, 2014, 05:01:41 PM
Quote from: Malthus on August 06, 2014, 04:27:45 PM
Quote from: Valmy on August 06, 2014, 04:20:43 PM
I don't think we sent over any armored divisions.

The UK sent the 1st Armoured Division.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Iraq_(2003)_order_of_battle

They should have sent over XXX Corps commanded by Bernard Montgomery's Great-Grandson if they wanted to be that retro.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

derspiess

#13
August 06, 2014, 05:04:37 PM
Actually guys I believe the Brits sent their 1st Armored Division to participate in Operation Iraqi Freedom in 2003.
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Malthus

#14
August 06, 2014, 05:07:34 PM
Quote from: derspiess on August 06, 2014, 05:04:37 PM
Actually guys I believe the Brits sent their 1st Armored Division to participate in Operation Iraqi Freedom in 2003.

What am I, chopped liver?  :P
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