Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-26

[crazy canuck]

Yeah the gas guy was named PM.

The Americans have a fraudster as president so, comparatively not so bad

[The Minsky Moment]

Very bad idea to imitate things the US is doing if you want to win your wars . . .

[crazy canuck]

Very bad idea to imitate things the US is doing if you want to win your wars . . .

No doubt. And the Ukrainians are not imitating the Americans.  I was just noting that it was odd that an American was criticizing the choice of Prime Minister, not based on the fact that the Prime Minister is a fraud Herbut based on the fact that the Prime Minister isn't involved in oil.  One or two of your presidents had had the same characteristic.

Also, I'm not sure why you deflected what the real reason was for the defence minister being removed. It had nothing to do with his replacement and everything to do with the conflict that was occurring between the head of the military and the defence minister.

[Razgovory]

Oops not sure I've put this in the right thread, but couldn't find the discussion that was being had about this.

This is the better place for it.
It was an odd thread because I started by saying the ICC *should* investigate Ukrainian actions, but then somehow got accused of applying double standards.

Well, I'm waiting for that to happen.  I suppose it's good that we cut off aid to Ukraine.  At least until the ICC clear them.  That is the pro-human rights position.

[Maladict]

Power transfer in an oligarchic feudalistic state like Ukraine in a middle of an existential war? Maybe not.

I was arguing it would be good for Zelensky's legacy to not hang around too long. For Ukraine it might not work out great, true.

[Zoupa]

Oops not sure I've put this in the right thread, but couldn't find the discussion that was being had about this.

This is the better place for it.
It was an odd thread because I started by saying the ICC *should* investigate Ukrainian actions, but then somehow got accused of applying double standards.

Well, I'm waiting for that to happen.  I suppose it's good that we cut off aid to Ukraine.  At least until the ICC clear them.  That is the pro-human rights position.

You cut off aid to Ukraine years ago and the US does not recognize the ICC's authority. Your opinion is irrelevant and worth nothing.

[Razgovory]

Oops not sure I've put this in the right thread, but couldn't find the discussion that was being had about this.

This is the better place for it.
It was an odd thread because I started by saying the ICC *should* investigate Ukrainian actions, but then somehow got accused of applying double standards.

Well, I'm waiting for that to happen.  I suppose it's good that we cut off aid to Ukraine.  At least until the ICC clear them.  That is the pro-human rights position.

You cut off aid to Ukraine years ago and the US does not recognize the ICC's authority. Your opinion is irrelevant and worth nothing.

I thought you would approve.  That is why your country pulled out of Afghanistan back in 2014 or so, isn't it?  You didn't want to be party to war crimes?  I do remember that about 3/4ths of people in Quebec thought that that Coalition forces were engaging in war crimes.  

I was deeply moved by your dedication to human rights.

[Zoupa]

Sure Raz. At this point I wish the US would just pull out of every org and live in autarcy. You folks are just toxic.

[Razgovory]

Sure Raz. At this point I wish the US would just pull out of every org and live in autarcy. You folks are just toxic.

Yeah, I know, but I thought you would approve of a human-rights oriented stance.  Man, it's really hard pleasing you guys.  You really need to sit down and explain which war crimes you like and which ones you don't.

But we are pulling out of the world, just like you want.  Take Afghanistan as an example  We followed your lead and now the killing has stopped.  Well, it hasn't.  But the people are now free at least.  Well, they aren't that either.  Well, the oppression may have dramatically increased there is fighting in with Pakistan and minorities are being massacred, but the color of the people doing the killing and oppressing is slightly different.  So it is a net benefit.  You should be proud, Zoupa we did this together.

[Zoupa]

I like how you somehow contrived a scenario in your head where the current situation in Afghanistan is somehow Canada's fault lol. There's playing devil's advocate and there's just being stupid.

You're stupid.

[Razgovory]

I like how you somehow contrived a scenario in your head where the current situation in Afghanistan is somehow Canada's fault lol. There's playing devil's advocate and there's just being stupid.

You're stupid.

Why did the Taliban take over, in your opinion Zoupa?  What caused the collapse Government.  I thought it was because Coalition forces withdrew.  I'm guessing you have a different theory.

[Zoupa]

The Taliban took over because you guys are incredibly inept. You had 20 years and pissed it away droning sheepherders and weddings. Even the Soviets figured it out sooner than you mooks and pulled out after 10 years. You spent trillions and achieved nothing.

You're stupid, corrupt and ineffective.

[Razgovory]

Well, that is certainly an opinion...

[celedhring]

My take on what is acceptable regarding civilians and war.

Directly targeting civilians or the basic infrastructure to support their lives (hospitals, food, water, power) should be considered a war crime.  Economic targets are ok, I think attacking a country's economy is an acceptable means of fighting a war.  I mean, that's what we are doing with our sanctions...

Corollary: If possible, you should not fight wars.

[Josquius]

Yeah. Attacking warehouses, factories, etc... With dual uses is fine.
As much as possible try to do it in a way to minimise casualties, but it's a legitimate target.