Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-23 and Invasion

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Josquius

Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on May 10, 2024, 10:46:57 AMThe Russians are attacking Kharkiv again. From the north, as has been hinted at for the past few weeks

As I said a page or two back and was shouted down.
Hopefully Ukraine was prepared enough for it. Opening new fronts does seem to be to Russia's advantage.
I guess/hope Russia are just doing this to try and grab all they can before Ukraine is fully rearmed rather than genuinely seeing serious opportunity for a breakthrough.
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Barrister

Quote from: Josquius on May 10, 2024, 10:54:52 AM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on May 10, 2024, 10:46:57 AMThe Russians are attacking Kharkiv again. From the north, as has been hinted at for the past few weeks

As I said a page or two back and was shouted down.
Hopefully Ukraine was prepared enough for it. Opening new fronts does seem to be to Russia's advantage.
I guess/hope Russia are just doing this to try and grab all they can before Ukraine is fully rearmed rather than genuinely seeing serious opportunity for a breakthrough.

I'm not a military guy, but I'm not so sure.  Ukraine is the one defending, it's supply lines are short.  It's relatively easy for Ukraine to pull units from the south to the north.  Russia is attacking.  It's supply lines are long.  It's much further for them to move a unit from the south to the north.
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Josquius

Quote from: Barrister on May 10, 2024, 11:09:10 AM
Quote from: Josquius on May 10, 2024, 10:54:52 AM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on May 10, 2024, 10:46:57 AMThe Russians are attacking Kharkiv again. From the north, as has been hinted at for the past few weeks

As I said a page or two back and was shouted down.
Hopefully Ukraine was prepared enough for it. Opening new fronts does seem to be to Russia's advantage.
I guess/hope Russia are just doing this to try and grab all they can before Ukraine is fully rearmed rather than genuinely seeing serious opportunity for a breakthrough.

I'm not a military guy, but I'm not so sure.  Ukraine is the one defending, it's supply lines are short.  It's relatively easy for Ukraine to pull units from the south to the north.  Russia is attacking.  It's supply lines are long.  It's much further for them to move a unit from the south to the north.

Juggling units around the "bulge" of Ukraine would be a pain for them for sure.
However Russias supply lines are pretty short coming straight from Russia and most critically Ukraine has big manpower problems at the moment.
When you've got numbers but not quality then you need maximum contact points to push your advantage
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Crazy_Ivan80


Josquius

I've not seen it myself but I've heard there's videos floating about of a recent Ukrainian counter attack in the East using Bradleys in desert camoflague colours - which is a big hint that the US aid is reaching the front.
Though weird the US wouldn't have painted them while they waited in Europe.
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crazy canuck

Quote from: Barrister on May 10, 2024, 11:09:10 AM
Quote from: Josquius on May 10, 2024, 10:54:52 AM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on May 10, 2024, 10:46:57 AMThe Russians are attacking Kharkiv again. From the north, as has been hinted at for the past few weeks

As I said a page or two back and was shouted down.
Hopefully Ukraine was prepared enough for it. Opening new fronts does seem to be to Russia's advantage.
I guess/hope Russia are just doing this to try and grab all they can before Ukraine is fully rearmed rather than genuinely seeing serious opportunity for a breakthrough.

I'm not a military guy, but I'm not so sure.  Ukraine is the one defending, it's supply lines are short.  It's relatively easy for Ukraine to pull units from the south to the north.  Russia is attacking.  It's supply lines are long.  It's much further for them to move a unit from the south to the north.

Where do you think the Russians are drawing their supply?

grumbler

Quote from: Josquius on May 10, 2024, 10:54:52 AMAs I said a page or two back and was shouted down.

Jos nails himself to the cross again.  :lol:

You were not "shouted down," you were simply challenged on your misreading of the source you provided.
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Bayraktar!

viper37

Quote from: Barrister on May 10, 2024, 11:09:10 AM
Quote from: Josquius on May 10, 2024, 10:54:52 AM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on May 10, 2024, 10:46:57 AMThe Russians are attacking Kharkiv again. From the north, as has been hinted at for the past few weeks

As I said a page or two back and was shouted down.
Hopefully Ukraine was prepared enough for it. Opening new fronts does seem to be to Russia's advantage.
I guess/hope Russia are just doing this to try and grab all they can before Ukraine is fully rearmed rather than genuinely seeing serious opportunity for a breakthrough.

I'm not a military guy, but I'm not so sure.  Ukraine is the one defending, it's supply lines are short.  It's relatively easy for Ukraine to pull units from the south to the north.  Russia is attacking.  It's supply lines are long.  It's much further for them to move a unit from the south to the north.
Ukraine is stretched short for ammo, and it has lost a lot of defenders too.

Russia can afford the losses, Ukraine not so much.
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Tamas

Shoigu has been sacked. I heard during the arrest of that corrupt colonel that this was a big hit for Shoigu and it likely was the first step in getting rid of him, the only question being whether Putin would be forced to fire him or if he wanted to.

Tonitrus

The news I saw makes it appear more of a promotion... (of sorts)  :huh:

Tamas

Quote from: Tonitrus on May 12, 2024, 05:34:43 PMThe news I saw makes it appear more of a promotion... (of sorts)  :huh:

No apparently that security council thing is a meaningless position with no power. At best an advisory board. A far cry from having command over the Russian military.

Tonitrus

One might argue that the entire Russian cabinet (to include the Defense minister) is an advisory board.  :P

Josquius

#16662
Really conflicting news on Kharkiv from some saying it's clearly just a distraction with very little actually behind it, and others screaming doom, massive corruption led to money that should have been spent on defences disappearing so the Russians are just walking in.

Also reading though that Russia has really hit the bottom with its equipment reserves and has nothing left. It's advertised numbers actually being a fraction of the available number due to the need to steal parts from several vehicles to get one going.
Russia is producing enviable amounts of ammo and drones... But is running out of artillery to fire the shells. Really an inverse of Ukraine.

I continue to be hit by how post apocalyptic this war is. The finest of modern equipment ground down and things reduced to trench warfare with the Sci fi element of drones on top.
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Tamas

I am guessing the Russians are thinking the offensive will be a success and this is why they moved against Shoigu now, would be much more difficult after a breakthrough.

But I am hoping we would see clearer news/footage of a big offensive succeeding.

Tamas

On the other hand a reading of the "cabinet reshuffle" is that a further shift to a war economy is planned. Which would indicate the Russian leadership is not nearly as assured of their victory as Western commentators reading their propaganda are.