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Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-25

Started by mongers, August 06, 2014, 03:12:53 PM

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Jacob

Quote from: Zoupa on January 04, 2024, 03:34:37 PMOh I'm not complaining, I love it. Btw that's probably in reference to them hitting Sebastopol today, apparently Gerasimov was in town.

:cheers:

Barrister

Quote from: Zoupa on January 04, 2024, 03:34:37 PMOh I'm not complaining, I love it. Btw that's probably in reference to them hitting Sebastopol today, apparently Gerasimov was in town.

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DGuller

Why would Ukraine target it when Gerasimov is in town, out of all the days?  They should guard him better than they guard Zelensky.

Zoupa

Quote from: DGuller on January 04, 2024, 04:39:14 PMWhy would Ukraine target it when Gerasimov is in town, out of all the days?  They should guard him better than they guard Zelensky.

That's a good point, actually...

Josquius

Russia seem to be making fairly decent gains in the north due to Ukraine lacking artillery ammo. Looks like Russias zap branigan tactics are working thanks to the GOP and other allies in the west.
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Razgovory

Fucking assholes have us over a barrel.  Let them build the goddamn wall, give Ukraine those shells.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

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Barrister

Quote from: Razgovory on January 05, 2024, 08:29:30 AMFucking assholes have us over a barrel.  Let them build the goddamn wall, give Ukraine those shells.

I don't think it's about the wall.

The real problem on the US border is asylum seekers, who legally enter the US and claim asylum.  They then get legal status in the US until their hearing is held.  That can take years, at which time even if denied (and most are) they have already established themselves in the US and they just go underground.

There are many possible fixes, none easy.

The problem though is the GOP seems more interested in having this issue to beat up Democrats with more than trying to solve the problem.  Even if Biden said "I'll give you whatever you want on the border in exchange for Ukraine aid" it's not clear that the GOP would be able to articulate what they want.
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Josquius

Is that what they're talking about with their bidens open border nonsense?
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Barrister

Quote from: Josquius on January 05, 2024, 01:20:53 PMIs that what they're talking about with their bidens open border nonsense?

Well, yeah.  You didn't think Biden literally just opened the border, did you?

Trump (well his government) wrestled with this too.  There was something called Title 42, which was introduced in March 2020 as a Covid restriction which severely limited the ability of even asylum seekers from entering the country.  But problem is it was part of an emergency Covid restriction, and ultimately Biden lifted it as all remaining Covid restrictions were removed.  To the extent GOP has an argument against Biden on the border this is it, although without the context.
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grumbler

Title 42 goes back to the 1944 Public Health Services Law and allows the President to take emergency steps to stop the spread of communicable diseases.  Trump invoked it in 2020, but his admin didn't originate it.  The authority of Title 42 stops being operative when the emergency passes, so the Biden admin couldn't have legally continued it even had they wanted to.
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Josquius

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Quote from: DGuller on January 04, 2024, 04:39:14 PMWhy would Ukraine target it when Gerasimov is in town, out of all the days?  They should guard him better than they guard Zelensky.

Usual take with a handful of salt disclaimer et al but

QuoteIS GERASIMOV DEAD?

A number of reports suggest that Russian COGS Valery Gerasaimov who has also been acting as CinC of the Ukrainian invasion out of Rostov, is dead.
It's being suggested he was at the site of a Ukrainian strike on Crimea yesterday and the Russians aren't denying it.
His Gerasimov Doctrine has been at the heart of Russian operations for some years, although it's well known he wasn't told about the invasion in 2022 until after it had started, which is one reason it went so hideously wrong.
If he's dead, it's a major blow to the regime and personal relationships at the highest level. This is after all a regime that trusts only those it knows and replacing him would be difficult.
Obviously it all needs verification but the longer he stays unseen the more intense speculation will become.

I have to say even if your top general is incompetent, it's worse to have a fresh incompetent than one who has already been thoroughly onboarded.
Though the bit about him not knowing of the invasion before hand is interesting. Could he be better than he gets credit for?



Quote from: Barrister on January 05, 2024, 01:40:33 PM
Quote from: Josquius on January 05, 2024, 01:20:53 PMIs that what they're talking about with their bidens open border nonsense?

Well, yeah.  You didn't think Biden literally just opened the border, did you?


Obviously not. More the opposite. It wasn't clear where they were even pulling the nonsense from. This kind of far right warping of reality usually has some initial basis that they twist out of all recognition and this one seemed to just come out of nowhere to me.
So it was the expiration of covid controls eh.
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Tonitrus

Though even Ukraine is pretty much dismissing the Gerasimov rumors...

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/26373

We've had far too many wishful-thinking "the big enemy figure is dead" reports in this war already.

Zoupa

The whole thing is kind of a psyop. Certain shiba inu folks ( :P ) started a joking rumor on twitter, which got spread to telegram channels, which got quoted in not-very-reputable news aggregators, which then got reprinted in Newsweek and the Daily Mail etc lol.

It was just a joke to make fun of how many times the russians and their useful idiots claim to kill Zelenskyy, Zalushny, Budanov and NATO generals. There's zero evidence Gerasimov got hurt/killed.

Admiral Yi

Zoupa, I think what you're doing is supercool, so don't take what I'm going to ask the wrong way.

I'm just wondering if knowing that your money killed someone felt weird at all.

Zoupa

Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 05, 2024, 10:59:24 PMZoupa, I think what you're doing is supercool, so don't take what I'm going to ask the wrong way.

I'm just wondering if knowing that your money killed someone felt weird at all.

No. This war is incredibly rage-inducing to me. Bucha shocked me, and every new Bucha afterwards made it worse. The Mariupol theater full of kids for example. 600 dead.

I really think russian culture and society which made this possible are a cancer to this world. The faster we kill those invaders, the less innocents die.

This is sort of a 180 for me. As a French dude we're all enamoured with russians and their mysterious soul and their tortured writers etc. It's all bullshit. That country needs to be broken up and russians reeducated the same way germans were after ww2.

All that to say that I've personally financed a bunch of shells and FPV drones etc, and sometimes the unit will send you footage of the hit, and I've felt nothing from seeing russians agonizing. Fuck them.