Russo-Ukrainian War 2014-25

[Barrister]

The tankies' line is "well there were some soldiers on leave there eating pizza so it's a legitimate target". 

ruSSia is a cancer to humanity.

The line I've seen is that secret NATO soldiers were there which made it a legitimate military target.

[Josquius]

The theory they wanted to hit some Canadians would be quite something.

A based on nothing theory I've come up with is this Ukrainian shit head told the Russians it was full of soldiers because he wanted to earn his rat pay and his ex wife happened to be there.

I suppose it is always possible there was some sort of important Ukrainian official/military commander being tracked and happened to be there/had just left and for obvious reasons ukraine is staying quiet. If he just left it would explain the Russian version too.

And the dead twins thing is pretty widely reported

[viper37]

Another victim to one of those dangerous Russian windows.
28 year old bank vp
https://euroweeklynews.com/2023/06/29/mystery-in-moscow-as-russian-bank-vice-president-falls-out-of-a-window/

You got to admire how quick you can rise up the ranks in Russia though.  28 years old and you're already VP at a major bank.  All thanks to these dangerous windows from where your predecessor felled.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

I guess VP stand for 'vindow pushed' then

[DGuller]

A classic Russian rise and fall story.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

No glass ceilings in Russia

[Tamas]

The Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, has been giving a wide-ranging press briefing this morning. He says he believes the west is aiming to freeze the conflict in Ukraine to buy time to pump more arms into the country.

Stuff like this make me convinced that the Russians and their ilk really quite purposefully accuse their enemies of the exact things they are doing.

That accusation makes no sense, the conflict was plenty frozen already, the counter offensive is indeed being done to unfreeze it. Russia on the other hand has been clearly aiming to dig in and wait out the West losing patience.

[Josquius]

The Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, has been giving a wide-ranging press briefing this morning. He says he believes the west is aiming to freeze the conflict in Ukraine to buy time to pump more arms into the country.

Stuff like this make me convinced that the Russians and their ilk really quite purposefully accuse their enemies of the exact things they are doing.

That accusation makes no sense, the conflict was plenty frozen already, the counter offensive is indeed being done to unfreeze it. Russia on the other hand has been clearly aiming to dig in and wait out the West losing patience.

Yep. There must surely be a name for this sort of thing and analysis written up. Wish I knew the terminology.

[mongers]

The Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, has been giving a wide-ranging press briefing this morning. He says he believes the west is aiming to freeze the conflict in Ukraine to buy time to pump more arms into the country.

Stuff like this make me convinced that the Russians and their ilk really quite purposefully accuse their enemies of the exact things they are doing.

That accusation makes no sense, the conflict was plenty frozen already, the counter offensive is indeed being done to unfreeze it. Russia on the other hand has been clearly aiming to dig in and wait out the West losing patience.

Yep. There must surely be a name for this sort of thing and analysis written up. Wish I knew the terminology.

Lying and it's morally wrong.

[Maximus]

Yep. There must surely be a name for this sort of thing and analysis written up. Wish I knew the terminology.

Projection

[DGuller]

Yes, that's projection, and that has been Russia's tactic for a long time.  I think there is a method to the madness, because when projection is done so brazenly, it amounts to gaslighting.  It's a guerilla tactic of discourse:  it doesn't take much effort to come up with it, you just take your own thoughts, but it takes a lot of energy to deal with it and refute it.

[mongers]

Personally I blame the Soviets.

[Jacob]

Personally I blame the Soviets.

I think it's a fairly common information-warfare technique from people and groups who see themselves engaged in a total struggle. You see the same thing in, for example, American politics with the famous adage about accusing your opponent of your own weaknesses/ sins.

[Sheilbh]

Part of a thread from a reporter (who's been reporting the Ukraine war since 2014) - but this video really struck me, of spotting a drone (not clear which side) in the middle of a forest:
https://twitter.com/dpatrikarakos/status/1674796954298236940?s=20

(Whole thread may be of interest)

Also heard that RUSI have estimated that Ukraine is using about 10,000 drones a month which I think is vastly more than anyone expected.

But it really struck me the weirdness of the drone in the forest and how terrifying that aspect of war must be for soldiers on the front. I know we saw it in Armenia and Azerbaijan and they've been used elsewhere, but it feels like the scale and range of uses in Ukraine is other level from previous conflicts. It feels like maybe the first tanks or planes at the end of WW1 did as, perhaps, the future slightly terrifyingly arriving.

[viper37]

I can't see it without a Twitter account?