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When team building goes bad

Started by Savonarola, July 08, 2014, 04:17:34 PM

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garbon

Quote from: Scipio on July 09, 2014, 08:55:49 PM
When I worked at the best independent bookstore in America, Square Books (TM), we had team building exercises that included balls-out rockabilly music, heavy drinking, poetry slams, and hanging out with Barry Hannah, Jim Harrison, Richard Ford, George Plimpton, and Archie Manning. Mostly I shelved books, then got blitzed and danced the night away. John Grisham was a fucking stiff, btw. A great bookseller and signer, but never hung out with the plebs.

The best team-building is working overtime and then getting drunk with the boss afterwards. That shit is like solid gold. There are people I worked with there that if I were in jail in Mexico they would bail me out, no questions asked, and I haven't talked to them in fifteen years.

I remember the night a guy died in the store due to anaphylactic shock from the dinner he had eaten earlier that night. Desperately tragic, nice young guy, just married to his lovely young wife. The boss gave us a week off, paid, even though all of us working that night were part time status, and never grilled us on what happened. I was managing that night. I still remember it as the first time that someone trusted me on a life and death matter. My boss and I agreed on almost nothing; but over the  thirty months that I worked for him, I earned his trut, and that was without stupid trust falls or other bullshit.

'Murica.

I have no idea what any of this is about.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Jacob


garbon

"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

grumbler

Quote from: garbon on July 09, 2014, 09:03:15 PM
Quote from: Scipio on July 09, 2014, 08:55:49 PM
When I worked at the best independent bookstore in America, Square Books (TM), we had team building exercises that included balls-out rockabilly music, heavy drinking, poetry slams, and hanging out with Barry Hannah, Jim Harrison, Richard Ford, George Plimpton, and Archie Manning. Mostly I shelved books, then got blitzed and danced the night away. John Grisham was a fucking stiff, btw. A great bookseller and signer, but never hung out with the plebs.

The best team-building is working overtime and then getting drunk with the boss afterwards. That shit is like solid gold. There are people I worked with there that if I were in jail in Mexico they would bail me out, no questions asked, and I haven't talked to them in fifteen years.

I remember the night a guy died in the store due to anaphylactic shock from the dinner he had eaten earlier that night. Desperately tragic, nice young guy, just married to his lovely young wife. The boss gave us a week off, paid, even though all of us working that night were part time status, and never grilled us on what happened. I was managing that night. I still remember it as the first time that someone trusted me on a life and death matter. My boss and I agreed on almost nothing; but over the  thirty months that I worked for him, I earned his trut, and that was without stupid trust falls or other bullshit.

'Murica.

I have no idea what any of this is about.

I gotta agree.  This may be about good leadership (or may not be... hard to tell), but it is nothing about a team or team-building.
The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.   -G'Kar

Bayraktar!

Scipio

Utraque unum.

Team concept is crap.
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Maladict

Quote from: Scipio on July 09, 2014, 08:55:49 PM
When I worked at the best independent bookstore in America, Square Books (TM), we had team building exercises that included balls-out rockabilly music, heavy drinking, poetry slams, and hanging out with Barry Hannah, Jim Harrison, Richard Ford, George Plimpton, and Archie Manning. Mostly I shelved books, then got blitzed and danced the night away. John Grisham was a fucking stiff, btw. A great bookseller and signer, but never hung out with the plebs.

The best team-building is working overtime and then getting drunk with the boss afterwards. That shit is like solid gold. There are people I worked with there that if I were in jail in Mexico they would bail me out, no questions asked, and I haven't talked to them in fifteen years.

I remember the night a guy died in the store due to anaphylactic shock from the dinner he had eaten earlier that night. Desperately tragic, nice young guy, just married to his lovely young wife. The boss gave us a week off, paid, even though all of us working that night were part time status, and never grilled us on what happened. I was managing that night. I still remember it as the first time that someone trusted me on a life and death matter. My boss and I agreed on almost nothing; but over the  thirty months that I worked for him, I earned his trut, and that was without stupid trust falls or other bullshit.

'Murica.

:thumbsup:

Maladict

Quote from: grumbler on July 09, 2014, 09:35:50 PM


I gotta agree.  This may be about good leadership (or may not be... hard to tell), but it is nothing about a team or team-building.

It is more about team building than the OP.

Brazen

Anyone seen Severance? Now THAT's team-building gone wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVwBVm7yVE4

It has amputations and topless, gun-toting prostitutes. You'd love it.

Malthus

Quote from: Scipio on July 09, 2014, 08:55:49 PM
When I worked at the best independent bookstore in America, Square Books (TM), we had team building exercises that included balls-out rockabilly music, heavy drinking, poetry slams, and hanging out with Barry Hannah, Jim Harrison, Richard Ford, George Plimpton, and Archie Manning. Mostly I shelved books, then got blitzed and danced the night away. John Grisham was a fucking stiff, btw. A great bookseller and signer, but never hung out with the plebs.

The best team-building is working overtime and then getting drunk with the boss afterwards. That shit is like solid gold. There are people I worked with there that if I were in jail in Mexico they would bail me out, no questions asked, and I haven't talked to them in fifteen years.

I remember the night a guy died in the store due to anaphylactic shock from the dinner he had eaten earlier that night. Desperately tragic, nice young guy, just married to his lovely young wife. The boss gave us a week off, paid, even though all of us working that night were part time status, and never grilled us on what happened. I was managing that night. I still remember it as the first time that someone trusted me on a life and death matter. My boss and I agreed on almost nothing; but over the  thirty months that I worked for him, I earned his trut, and that was without stupid trust falls or other bullshit.

'Murica.

Heh, best "team building" I ever did was working to finish one major case almost two days straight, a partner, myself, and a group of juniors and assistants, then the partner I was working on pulled out his stash of really good wine at 4 AM when everything was finally done and ready to file- "I was saving this for something good. I guess this is it."  :lol:

Got good and drunk, turned up some tunes, stayed to file the stuff at 9, went home and stayed there for a coupla days ...
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

crazy canuck

Quote from: Maladict on July 10, 2014, 03:37:55 AM
Quote from: grumbler on July 09, 2014, 09:35:50 PM


I gotta agree.  This may be about good leadership (or may not be... hard to tell), but it is nothing about a team or team-building.

It is more about team building than the OP.

Grumbler has never worked on a team where people would do anything to help him so it was hard for him to recognize it as a team in the way he understands the word.


garbon

"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: crazy canuck on July 10, 2014, 11:08:13 AM
Grumbler has never worked on a team where people would do anything to help him so it was hard for him to recognize it as a team in the way he understands the word.

That's because he could just give them orders.

Razgovory

Quote from: crazy canuck on July 10, 2014, 11:08:13 AM
Quote from: Maladict on July 10, 2014, 03:37:55 AM
Quote from: grumbler on July 09, 2014, 09:35:50 PM


I gotta agree.  This may be about good leadership (or may not be... hard to tell), but it is nothing about a team or team-building.

It is more about team building than the OP.


Grumbler has never worked on a team where people would do anything to help him so it was hard for him to recognize it as a team in the way he understands the word.

Well the Navy was different back then. Leadership consisted sitting in the hull beating a drum and the crew would row with each beat.  Team-building was something done at the slave auction.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

DGuller

Quote from: Razgovory on July 10, 2014, 10:27:50 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 10, 2014, 11:08:13 AM
Quote from: Maladict on July 10, 2014, 03:37:55 AM
Quote from: grumbler on July 09, 2014, 09:35:50 PM


I gotta agree.  This may be about good leadership (or may not be... hard to tell), but it is nothing about a team or team-building.

It is more about team building than the OP.


Grumbler has never worked on a team where people would do anything to help him so it was hard for him to recognize it as a team in the way he understands the word.

Well the Navy was different back then. Leadership consisted sitting in the hull beating a drum and the crew would row with each beat.  Team-building was something done at the slave auction.
:lol: