Another US school shooter - Portland, this time

[Admiral Yi]

At what stage are you doing this risk analysis?

Dunno.

[Ideologue]

Just because the best predictor is moot doesn't render the other predictors useless.

It's a cost benefit: we can prevent X school shootings a year if we deny people with traits A, B, & C guns and we'll get Z% false positives.

As I mentioned, we already use diagnosed mental illness and certainly 100% of people with mental illness have not committed gun violence in the past.  So presumably we're already willing to accept some level of false positives.

I like the way you are thinking Yi, but wasn't this sort of what Obama wanted?  More background checks?  I have already said I hope we are starting to closely monitor the guys who fit the profile.  Socially isolated angry mentally unstable white dude.

Ruh-roh.

[Valmy]

I like the way you are thinking Yi, but wasn't this sort of what Obama wanted?  More background checks?  I have already said I hope we are starting to closely monitor the guys who fit the profile.  Socially isolated angry mentally unstable white dude.

Not really.  My understanding is he wanted to close the gun show loophole.  I'm talking more about reexamining the criteria that go into the national no-gun database.

Well if the tools are already there I hope they are being used.  But couldn't said socially isolated angry mentally unstable white dude just get his gun at a gun show if that is a loophole?

[Caliga]

MOLON LABIA

Mama-say mama-sah ma-ma-coosa!

[CountDeMoney]

I was thinking Lady Marmalade, actually.

[Valmy]

Ruh-roh.

Sometimes Ide feels like somebody's watching...erm....him

[derspiess]

You take the guns away. Using Force.

MOLON LABIA

You'd get in a shootout with the Feds if they did come to take them?  I'd figure you'd either just give them up or try and hide them.

I'd get in a shootout if Grey Fox came & tried to take them.

Also I just wanted to post that play on words

[Barrister]

I like the way you are thinking Yi, but wasn't this sort of what Obama wanted?  More background checks?  I have already said I hope we are starting to closely monitor the guys who fit the profile.  Socially isolated angry mentally unstable white dude.

Not really.  My understanding is he wanted to close the gun show loophole.  I'm talking more about reexamining the criteria that go into the national no-gun database.

Well if the tools are already there I hope they are being used.  But couldn't said socially isolated angry mentally unstable white dude just get his gun at a gun show if that is a loophole?

Is there a "national no-gun databse"?

In what way is that different from a gun licence?

[Admiral Yi]

Is there a "national no-gun databse"?

In what way is that different from a gun licence?

I don't understand the question.

[viper37]

The problem with guns is that in America the cat is already out of the bag. How do you stuff it back in?

i think some form of mental health assessment/risk modeling is the only feasible solution.

But how could you do that?  IIRC, you can't force people to see a shrink, you can't force them to seek out medical evaluation&treatment.

[Barrister]

Is there a "national no-gun databse"?

In what way is that different from a gun licence?

I don't understand the question.

In both ways the government gets to decide who does and does not get a gun.

[mongers]

The problem with guns is that in America the cat is already out of the bag. How do you stuff it back in?

i think some form of mental health assessment/risk modeling is the only feasible solution.

But how could you do that?  IIRC, you can't force people to see a shrink, you can't force them to seek out medical evaluation&treatment.

Just assume everyone who wants to keep guns is mentally unbalanced, then it's up to them to show they're of sound mind and adult enough to have them.   

[Admiral Yi]

In both ways the government gets to decide who does and does not get a gun.

We already do that.

[Razgovory]

The problem with guns is that in America the cat is already out of the bag. How do you stuff it back in?

i think some form of mental health assessment/risk modeling is the only feasible solution.

But how could you do that?  IIRC, you can't force people to see a shrink, you can't force them to seek out medical evaluation&treatment.

People found not guilty by reason of insanity or mental defect are not allowed to have fire arms in some states.  Of course that's extremely rare and those people tend to be spending their entire lives in hospitals.

[Valmy]

That last big gun bill in Florida they made it possible for people convicted of gun felonies to carry concealed weapons so I am not really sure what legal avenues they can go through even with past convicts.