The Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant Megathread

Started by Tamas, June 10, 2014, 07:37:01 AM

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You're Canadian, ergo a Euroweenie.  Monarchist assfuck.

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CountDeMoney

Quote from: garbon on October 10, 2014, 11:42:13 AM
And/or it is Seedy like behavior.

I just keep it in perspective, and not freak out about it like some angst-ridden 16 year old that's read too much Nietzche.

The Minsky Moment

Quote from: Viking on October 09, 2014, 03:37:11 PM
Quote from: Malthus on October 09, 2014, 03:07:31 PM
Interestingly, the NON-fungibility of the natural gas market (as opposed to oil) is a major political concern: Russia's threat to turn the gas pipes off gives them more clout in Europe than they otherwise would have.

It will be interesting to see what happens when the Leviathan field goes on-line through Greece. Any of you heavy-hitting economics types know anything about that? Minsky? Viking?

Leviathan is probably nice to have, but it isn't a huge field in any way. Probably larger than average though... It will make israel self sufficient in gas though.

That was my understanding too.  For a rinky-dinky country like Israel it is big potatoes but nothing on the scale that would have big impact on Europe as a whole.
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Malthus

Quote from: The Minsky Moment on October 10, 2014, 12:09:59 PM
Quote from: Viking on October 09, 2014, 03:37:11 PM
Quote from: Malthus on October 09, 2014, 03:07:31 PM
Interestingly, the NON-fungibility of the natural gas market (as opposed to oil) is a major political concern: Russia's threat to turn the gas pipes off gives them more clout in Europe than they otherwise would have.

It will be interesting to see what happens when the Leviathan field goes on-line through Greece. Any of you heavy-hitting economics types know anything about that? Minsky? Viking?

Leviathan is probably nice to have, but it isn't a huge field in any way. Probably larger than average though... It will make israel self sufficient in gas though.

That was my understanding too.  For a rinky-dinky country like Israel it is big potatoes but nothing on the scale that would have big impact on Europe as a whole.

I keep seeing the figure that the 'energy triange' (the Aphrodite & Leviathan fields, basically) has enough reserves to supply Euros for 20 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Triangle

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/is-the-new-cyprus-greece-israel-energy-triangle-casting-a-net-for-turkey.aspx?PageID=238&NID=33097&NewsCatID=396

http://www.naturalgaseurope.com/energy-triangle-dynamics-east-mediterranean-basin

Of course, that's based on industry bumpf. It's a bit short of hard facts.
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Viking

Quote from: Malthus on October 10, 2014, 01:02:08 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on October 10, 2014, 12:09:59 PM
Quote from: Viking on October 09, 2014, 03:37:11 PM
Quote from: Malthus on October 09, 2014, 03:07:31 PM
Interestingly, the NON-fungibility of the natural gas market (as opposed to oil) is a major political concern: Russia's threat to turn the gas pipes off gives them more clout in Europe than they otherwise would have.

It will be interesting to see what happens when the Leviathan field goes on-line through Greece. Any of you heavy-hitting economics types know anything about that? Minsky? Viking?

Leviathan is probably nice to have, but it isn't a huge field in any way. Probably larger than average though... It will make israel self sufficient in gas though.

That was my understanding too.  For a rinky-dinky country like Israel it is big potatoes but nothing on the scale that would have big impact on Europe as a whole.

I keep seeing the figure that the 'energy triange' (the Aphrodite & Leviathan fields, basically) has enough reserves to supply Euros for 20 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Triangle

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/is-the-new-cyprus-greece-israel-energy-triangle-casting-a-net-for-turkey.aspx?PageID=238&NID=33097&NewsCatID=396

http://www.naturalgaseurope.com/energy-triangle-dynamics-east-mediterranean-basin

Of course, that's based on industry bumpf. It's a bit short of hard facts.

hmm.. 20 years? Look there are some Russian and Alegerian fields with 20 times Leviathan's reserves. There are at least 20 fields in the north sea larger than Leviathan. I think by supplying europe they mean supplying gas to europe as opposed to supplying all of europe's gas. 20 years sounds like a relatively total life span of a field, but it sounds like the initial estimates before they do some mid life recompletion for the field.
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MadImmortalMan

Is there a specific reason that the official White House statements about it always refer to them as ISIL rather than ISIS?

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They started here with "ISIS" (Islamic State in Iraq and Syria), then switched to "ISIL" (Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant), but for the past weeks, media are calling them just "IS."
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Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 12, 2014, 01:21:54 AM
Is there a specific reason that the official White House statements about it always refer to them as ISIL rather than ISIS?

No clue.

grumbler

Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on October 10, 2014, 10:29:01 AM
Quote from: grumbler on October 09, 2014, 09:12:55 PM
Defenestration.

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