America doesn't join WWI, who wins?

[jimmy olsen]

For whatever reason, America doesn't enter The Great War. Who wins?

[The Brain]

I need to contemplate this on the Tree of Woe.

[Viking]

Austria and Ottomans were already broken. The questions need to be

1. would the Ludendorff offensives happened with no US entry?
2. was Bellau Wood necessary to stop the Ludendorff offensives?
3. would the requirement to man front sections held by the US have hobbled the 100 days offensive?

The thing is Germany was also broken. They were starving. I think Ludendorff happens regardless to try and end the war.

The americans did not stop the offensive, the death and incapacitation of the storm troopers, the lack of plan and direction from ludendorff and crappy german logistics killed it. The americans just ended it earlier.

The 100 days was very very very bloody due to most of it being trenchless combat. At that point I think the german army was broken. Americans not required.

I think the americans end the war quicker and cleaner. The americans also mean that proper revenge is not take and the germans don't feel themselves subudued. So, perhaps no hitler?

[Syt]

When you say "does not enter WW1", do you mean militarily? Or also not giving financial and economic aid to the Entente?

[jimmy olsen]

When you say "does not enter WW1", do you mean militarily? Or also not giving financial and economic aid to the Entente?

The Federal Reserve strongly advised against making loans to Britain that were not secured with collateral in November 1916. They only changed their tune when America joined the war and the British had to beg them to. So, no war, no loans...unless they're willing to put up some Caribbean islands for collateral or something like that.

[Josquius]

Nobody wins World War 1

Or rather the entente of course. As bad as things looked to be getting for the entente economy and morale, the allies were already beyond fucked.

[Sheilbh]

I think the americans end the war quicker and cleaner. The americans also mean that proper revenge is not take and the germans don't feel themselves subudued. So, perhaps no hitler?

Yep that's roughly my view. I don't think the Americans determined who won the war but they did speed it up.

And then there's Wilson

[The Brain]

Maude.

[grumbler]

I think the americans end the war quicker and cleaner. The americans also mean that proper revenge is not take and the germans don't feel themselves subudued. So, perhaps no hitler?

Yep that's roughly my view. I don't think the Americans determined who won the war but they did speed it up.

And then there's Wilson

Agreed.  The Allies were breaking, but the Central Powers were broken.

And you are right that adding Wilson to Lloyd-George is turning a cretin's presence into a cretin's congress.  Without Wilson present in Paris, DLG and Clemenceau would have created a treaty not even their own people could sign off on.  Certainly, there would have been none of the League of Nations bullshit, and so no delusions about the efficacy of "collective security."  Eventually, as at Vienna, the losers would have to be allowed to sit at the table, and the resulting negotiations could have led to a real peace, rather than the mere armistice that came out of the historical Versailles Diktat.

[CountDeMoney]

The Wilson-hatred on Languish is almost as thick as the Liberal Arts-hating and black people-hating.  Goddamned shame.

[garbon]

The Wilson-hatred on Languish is almost as thick as the Liberal Arts-hating and black people-hating.  Goddamned shame.

Disliking Wilson is just common sense.

[CountDeMoney]

Anti-American Exceptionalism faggits.

[Siege]

The Wilson-hatred on Languish is almost as thick as the Liberal Arts-hating and black people-hating.  Goddamned shame.

[CountDeMoney]

I see somebody got to the Zimas in garage fridge already.

[garbon]