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Started by Faeelin, June 08, 2009, 10:58:08 PM

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Oexmelin

Unless things are over-reported or under-reported in either language media, but according to Radio-Canada's two reporters on the ground, the protest movement is rapidly out of breath: Moussavi has asked to keep it non-violent. It certainly did not look like a revolution in the making - although perhaps a turning point over the nature and form of the protests under the Iranian regime.
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Queequeg

Quote from: Oexmelin on June 14, 2009, 05:47:41 PM
Unless things are over-reported or under-reported in either language media, but according to Radio-Canada's two reporters on the ground, the protest movement is rapidly out of breath: Moussavi has asked to keep it non-violent. It certainly did not look like a revolution in the making - although perhaps a turning point over the nature and form of the protests under the Iranian regime.
When did you hear this?  Haven't heard anything of the sort.  From what I have heard the protests have been exclusively non-violent while the response has been anything but.  Last I heard there were reports of riots spreading out from Tehran. 
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Queequeg on June 14, 2009, 05:52:53 PM
When did you hear this?  Haven't heard anything of the sort.  From what I have heard the protests have been exclusively non-violent while the response has been anything but.  Last I heard there were reports of riots spreading out from Tehran.
Dude, this thread has pictures of greenboys swinging pipes.

Sheilbh

Quote from: Oexmelin on June 14, 2009, 05:47:41 PM
Unless things are over-reported or under-reported in either language media, but according to Radio-Canada's two reporters on the ground, the protest movement is rapidly out of breath: Moussavi has asked to keep it non-violent. It certainly did not look like a revolution in the making - although perhaps a turning point over the nature and form of the protests under the Iranian regime.
This could be true, we'll see what happens tomorrow and, as I say, I've read that the protests have been smaller today to avoid the police, taking place on rooftops and out windows for the same reason and even in cars (lots of protestors go out in their cars and cause a traffic jam that way rather than with their bodies, it's safer).

But the BBC view was that these protests are, for Iran, unprecedented.  I think revolution's too early to say but I think that the regime either clamps down hard or we could be witnessing a revolution.

Edit:  Mousavi called for all protests to be non-violent from the start.  From the images I've seen and reports I've read I think the first protests were.  Since then violent but not hugely so, I believe there's been very few deaths.
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Queequeg

Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 14, 2009, 05:54:33 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on June 14, 2009, 05:52:53 PM
When did you hear this?  Haven't heard anything of the sort.  From what I have heard the protests have been exclusively non-violent while the response has been anything but.  Last I heard there were reports of riots spreading out from Tehran.
Dude, this thread has pictures of greenboys swinging pipes.
Non-violent as in non-lethal force.  As non-violent as massive, nation-wide riots can be.  On the other side we have the Iranian police shooting people and beating them to death.
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

Oexmelin

Quote from: Queequeg on June 14, 2009, 05:52:53 PM
When did you hear this?  Haven't heard anything of the sort.  From what I have heard the protests have been exclusively non-violent while the response has been anything but.  Last I heard there were reports of riots spreading out from Tehran.

About two hours ago.
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Queequeg

Quote from: Oexmelin on June 14, 2009, 06:22:44 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on June 14, 2009, 05:52:53 PM
When did you hear this?  Haven't heard anything of the sort.  From what I have heard the protests have been exclusively non-violent while the response has been anything but.  Last I heard there were reports of riots spreading out from Tehran.

About two hours ago.

Isn't it about 5 AM there?  Protests are in the late afternoon so they get the most attention from Western Media. 
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

Queequeg

#112
I'm reading English language Twitters now from Iran, the Govt. hasn't shut down access to Twitter.  Sounds like a lot of shooting in the universities. 

Mobile phones are down again.  DK why, people seem confused. 
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

Queequeg

#113
I am hearing a lot of rumors that some of the police are non-Farsi speaking, possibly Arabs.  Lebanese? 


EDIT:  Separate fights at universities in Tehran and Shiraz.  Right now. 
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

Neil

You know, if Iran has a revolution, everything that Bush did as president will be vindicated.
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Josephus

Quote from: Queequeg on June 14, 2009, 06:36:00 PM
I am hearing a lot of rumors that some of the police are non-Farsi speaking, possibly Arabs.  Lebanese? 



OMG The Americans have invaded. ;)
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Iormlund

Quote from: Neil on June 14, 2009, 06:46:20 PM
You know, if Iran has a revolution, everything that Bush did as president will be vindicated.

There's a slight problem with that analysis: Iraq is not the shinning beacon Bush thought it would be. If there's a successful revolution (unlikely) it will actually show how you don't need to go invading countries for democracy to spread.

Neil

Quote from: Iormlund on June 14, 2009, 06:52:56 PM
Quote from: Neil on June 14, 2009, 06:46:20 PM
You know, if Iran has a revolution, everything that Bush did as president will be vindicated.

There's a slight problem with that analysis: Iraq is not the shinning beacon Bush thought it would be. If there's a successful revolution (unlikely) it will actually show how you don't need to go invading countries for democracy to spread.
The elections were run well and fairly.  Comapre this to Iran.  Granted, Iran will always be an enemy of all civilized peoples, but a more democratized Iran is a more isolated Iran.
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.

Hansmeister

Quote from: Queequeg on June 14, 2009, 06:36:00 PM
I am hearing a lot of rumors that some of the police are non-Farsi speaking, possibly Arabs.  Lebanese? 

Indeed.  The Ayatollah's have increasingly relied on shock troops for Hezbollah for security, much more trustworthy than Iranian troops, even the Revolutionary Guard.

Queequeg

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Iranian Student under siege by Hezbollah forces.  Fuuuuck. 
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."