Socialsim built the middle class in America

[The Brain]

Socialism is bad. The retards found out that they are way more than 50% of the population so they started raping the commons and the non-retards.

[Jacob]

You know if the best counterargument you can give is to pretend I was advocating slavery, then it just pretty much proves you have no counterargument to give.

That may be true, but plenty of other people in this thread have provided cogent and convincing counter arguments

[Razgovory]

You know if the best counterargument you can give is to pretend I was advocating slavery, then it just pretty much proves you have no counterargument to give.

The first picture was from 1939, long after slavery.  I used the black sharecroppers to show people denied good jobs without any sort of state intervention.  They committed no crimes, and were not being held back by the state, but people like that could not get good paying jobs or live where they wanted to.  Why?


The second one is a person who is de facto owned by someone which is what you were talking about I believe.  I used it as an example of someone who is actually de facto owned by another (and is de jure owned by someone) as opposed to someone who Tamas defacto owned by someone (who is not really owned by someone else), like someone living in modern Belgium.

But since you brought up Slavery what is the non-statist way of getting rid of (actual) slavery?

[The Brain]

Sigh.

[Razgovory]

You know if the best counterargument you can give is to pretend I was advocating slavery, then it just pretty much proves you have no counterargument to give.

That may be true, but plenty of other people in this thread have provided cogent and convincing counter arguments

Fortunately it's not true.  So we don't have to worry about that.

[Valmy]

Socialism is bad. The retards found out that they are way more than 50% of the population so they started raping the commons and the non-retards.

If you lived in Sweden you would see that Socialism works.

[Tamas]

Socialism is bad. The retards found out that they are way more than 50% of the population so they started raping the commons and the non-retards.

I am sorry Brain but we come from two countries which really put an effort into building full-fledged welfare states. We cannot possibly compare our low knowledge of socialism to people in less socialist countries.

[Valmy]

The Canadians seem to believe they are socialists now despite their country being run by right wing warriors like Stephen Harper.

[Valmy]

I can certainly think of a way to be denied positions without state intervention.

The state had a big role to play in both slavery and the Jim Crow system.

[Grey Fox]

Socialism IS the middle class.

[Valmy]

Socialism IS the middle class.

Socialism IS the bourgeoisie?  Mind blown.

[Razgovory]

I can certainly think of a way to be denied positions without state intervention.

The state had a big role to play in both slavery and the Jim Crow system.

The state played the same role in slavery as it plays with any property ownership.  Same as owning a cow.  Jim Crow was formalized in state laws, but that was not necessary, nor did it originate from state law.  Jim Crow has it's origins in public minded individuals with white sheets.  In the North were there weren't as many laws restricting blacks, blacks still were at the very bottom of the totem pole and stayed there.  Despite the lack of state intervention job positions were denied to them.

And I remind you, Tamas opened the can of worms of people owning other people.  Of course, he painted himself into a corner with that.

[Tamas]

 

[Tamas]

Socialism IS the middle class.

[Tamas]

For starters, how on earth can you be middle class if removal of welfare benefits would push you back to poverty? Then you are just poor enjoying the fruits of others' labor.