NCAA Football, 2014-2015

[Valmy]

PDH's opinion is obviously the biggest consideration. He really should be running the NCAA.

Couldn't hurt.

[PDH]

PDH's opinion is obviously the biggest consideration. He really should be running the NCAA.

Couldn't hurt.

Both of you will be on my staff and I promise you more pay than any government psychologist-contractor ever made.

[CountDeMoney]

PDH's opinion is obviously the biggest consideration. He really should be running the NCAA.

Couldn't hurt.

Both of you will be on my staff and I promise you more pay than any government psychologist-contractor ever made.

I'll see that bid, and chop off 20%.

[Eddie Teach]

Cincinnati belongs to professional sports.

Cause their baseball team was pretty good 40 years ago?

[CountDeMoney]

Marge Schott brought so much to the game.

[Valmy]

Cincinnati belongs to professional sports.

Cause their baseball team was pretty good 40 years ago?

Who dey think gonna beat them Bengals?  Probably not the Bearcats.

[Eddie Teach]

Well, the Dawgs ain't gonna beat the Falcons either. /shrug

[alfred russel]

Do they still not do anything on Sundays?  No?  Fuck them.  Besides, WVU needs nearby partners.  Bowlsby is mildly retarded though, so maybe they'll get an invite!

East Carolina is not a partner for West Virginia. it is the number 5 school in North Carolina and North Carolina isn't even good at football. Before the Big East totally collapsed, it had no shot of even getting into the Big East. It is also really far away from West Virginia. A somewhat shorter flight than the other Big 12 schools, but not sure that is so vital.

Sundays don't matter for football, and do the other sports really matter? If so, bring in BYU for football only.

[MadBurgerMaker]

East Carolina is not a partner for West Virginia. it is the number 5 school in North Carolina and North Carolina isn't even good at football. Before the Big East totally collapsed, it had no shot of even getting into the Big East. It is also really far away from West Virginia. A somewhat shorter flight than the other Big 12 schools, but not sure that is so vital.

Cincy is a partner for WVU.  WVU recruits in the Carolinas.  Everybody recruits in Florida.  No one recruits in Utah.  No one is even close to Utah. 

Sundays don't matter for football, and do the other sports really matter? If so, bring in BYU for football only.

Yes, the other sports matter.  It's why BYU has the requirement and why the Big 12 didn't agree to it. 

E:  If BYU weren't so weird (Mormon), they'd be a great add, and probably would have been added the first time around.  Then again, if they weren't Mormon they wouldn't be what they are.  They are though, and their policies are kinda screwey and all that, and hey...I like WVU.  I'd rather the conference go that way to help them out.

[alfred russel]

So the conference with TCU and Baylor just doesn't want to let Mormons in. Got it.

Lets go back to 2003 (before the Miami / VT / BC to the ACC move).

We have gone from 6 power conferences to 5. Ignoring the switches between the conferences, this is what has happened:

-every team in the Big East just moved to a new power five conference. The exception is Temple, which was in the process of getting kicked out of the Big East.
-Utah, Louisville, and TCU are the only teams to make the jump from a non power 6 to a new power 5. They are the exceptions, I don't think any conference was thrilled with those additions (ie, they were already stretches), and all had won a BCS game before joining.

I think Cincinnati, USF, and UCF are all inferior programs to the three above, but at least Cincinnati and UCF have been in BCS games (and UCF got a win). East Carolina and Memphis haven't had anywhere near the success of the 3 schools newly admitted to the power conferences.

This is just watering down the power conferences. If someone proposed in 2003 "Lets take the Big East schools, distribute them among the other strong conferences, then start adding a bunch more Conference USA and Mountain West schools to the power conferences, and then shift teams between conferences to satisfy egos and complete power plays!" that would have seemed dumb. Lets stop being dumb.

[MadBurgerMaker]

So the conference with TCU and Baylor just doesn't want to let Mormons in. Got it.

No, you don't seem to have it.

E:  To expand: Even the Baptists and Disciples of Christ are okay with some Sunday basketball or baseball.  It's fine that BYU/Mormons aren't, but it doesn't mean the Big 12 has to accommodate them if the member schools don't want to.  BYU also was making certain demands of the Big 12 TV partners (ESPN and Fox) regarding national broadcasting, which is apparently another good way to stay independent.  Why screw around with scheduling, forcing TV partners to do stuff they may not want to, etc, when they could instead just pick up different schools that don't make those demands?  And hey, if they decide to expand a second time, those same schools that don't make Mormon-ish demands are also much closer to member schools.  Everyone is a winner.

[sbr]

The Senate needs to appoint a dictator to fix this mess.

Abolish the Big-12.  Shuffle the teams into 4 16 team conferences (2 8 team divisions) that make some sense geographically.  9 conference games, 3 out of conference games, only one of those can be against a non-64 team.  Conference championship games between division winners.  Conference champs go to 4 team playoff. 

No computers.  No committees.  No rankings.  No mess.  No fuss.   

EDIT:  And no, I don't give two shits about Notre Dame or BYU. 

EDIT2:They could probably afford to buy the spot of 2 other teams, maybe Iowa State and Vanderbilt out.

[MadBurgerMaker]

Just make the playoffs for 16 teams.  10 conference champs + 6 at larges.  Seed them kinda like they do for the NCAA tourney.  Awesomeness ensues when some mid-major 8 or whatever seed like Georgia Southern or something takes out Alabama in the first round. 

[Berkut]

I am kind of torn on that.

It would be pretty awesome, but on the other hand....well, college football is not basketball. The NCAA tourney, as amazing as it is, is IMO trying to do something different from what the college football process is trying to do.

College football, IMO, is about trying to figure out who the best team is, and letting the try to prove it on the field. We don't really WANT teams we all know are not contenders for the #1 spot to have a shot at knocking off the true contenders, even if it is exciting.

The NCAA basketball tournament isn't, IMO, really about establishing who the best team in college basketball is, it is about seeing who is hot and can catch the breaks and maybe even play above their level at the right time. But the team that wins the NCAA tournament is not necessarily the team that we all think would win 6 out 10 match ups against the truly best team - and that is ok.

College football is different, and I think what makes it difference is part of what makes it special. Having just another post season tournament where enough teams get in that suddenly the regular season doesn't mean nearly as much (something that has already been happening) isn't that appealing to me.

[sbr]

Not appealing to me either.  I love that the college football regular season is the best regular season out there, because every single game matters. 

An 8 team playoff would be bad enough, Oregon and Alabama would have been in no matter what happened in their conference championship games.   With a 16 team playoff none of their games in November would have mattered.