The Birth of the American City-state

[grumbler]

That really just causes a city to move, eventually causing the same "problem" as before, to many liberals in the state.

They can just keep expanding the City States doing this until they get 100% Democrats cities with 51% Republican dominated States, thus fulfilling the Gerrymandering playbook.

yes, but the Senate would then be 100 Republican Senators from the states, and 200 Democratic Senators from the city-states.

[Neil]

That really just causes a city to move, eventually causing the same "problem" as before, to many liberals in the state.

They can just keep expanding the City States doing this until they get 100% Democrats cities with 51% Republican dominated States, thus fulfilling the Gerrymandering playbook.

yes, but the Senate would then be 100 Republican Senators from the states, and 200 Democratic Senators from the city-states.

The model that he provided was 50/50, because the state's senators were split.  1 for the state, and one for all the city-states within the state combined.

[garbon]

Also he's being a bit loose with "city-state" as he's taking the bay area as a whole as one city-state.

[DGuller]

That really just causes a city to move, eventually causing the same "problem" as before, to many liberals in the state.

They can just keep expanding the City States doing this until they get 100% Democrats cities with 51% Republican dominated States, thus fulfilling the Gerrymandering playbook.

yes, but the Senate would then be 100 Republican Senators from the states, and 200 Democratic Senators from the city-states.

The model that he provided was 50/50, because the state's senators were split.  1 for the state, and one for all the city-states within the state combined.

So, his idea that cities should be treated as separate states, except in cases where that gives the liberals more representation. 

[Valmy]

So, his idea that cities should be treated as separate states, except in cases where that gives the liberals more representation. 

Well his point is that Conservatives who are minorities in electoral districts are not winning elections and thus need a radical change to the Constitution to give them more representation.

[Admiral Yi]

I thought his point was largely about taxation and spending.  I might not have read the whole thing however.

[Zanza]

Those are really bad for any country.  Countries that use them aren't exactly bastions of freedom, good government and justice.

The arguably most successful Western country of the last decade has preferential voting.

[Razgovory]

It's a very muddled and confused idea.  At one point the author claims the city states would be free to create dictatorships where they take away the 2nd amendment so apparently the constitution doesn't actually exist in this scenario.

[DGuller]

Those are really bad for any country.  Countries that use them aren't exactly bastions of freedom, good government and justice.

The arguably most successful Western country of the last decade has preferential voting.

We don't have anything of the sort.

[Neil]

Also he's being a bit loose with "city-state" as he's taking the bay area as a whole as one city-state.

I don't see how that follows.  It's not like it would be totally bizarre to define the whole bay area metro as one city.

[Razgovory]

So can we all agree that this is a stupid idea?

[Admiral Yi]

So can we all agree that this is a stupid idea?

Depends what you mean.  A number of countries around their world established their national capitals as separate "city states," and most seem pleased with the choice.

[DGuller]

So can we all agree that this is a stupid idea?

Depends what you mean.  A number of countries around their world established their national capitals as separate "city states," and most seem pleased with the choice.

My guess is he's meaning this in the context of US politics.

[CountDeMoney]

My guess is he's meaning this in the context of US politics.

Well, it certainly carried the House of Representatives.

[Admiral Yi]

My guess is he's meaning this in the context of US politics.

The District of Columbia is a separate entity.

If Raz's question is whether the rural parts of states would lose out financially if their revenue and spending were separated from cities, then I don't know.