Tom Perkins' big idea: The rich should get more votes

[Razgovory]

Anyway, it goes toward my theory that libertarians and the like are sorta luke warm on the whole democracy thing.

Anyone who cares more about rights than consensus would be by definition, wouldn't they?

Well, their rights at least.

[Sheilbh]

Erm, no.

[Razgovory]

I remember Hans posting an article from the NRO, decrying the move toward democracy in Hong Kong because it would ruin the free market as poor people would inevitably socialize the whole system.

[Capetan Mihali]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy:_The_God_That_Failed

[Neil]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy:_The_God_That_Failed

How frightful.  I mean, I'm no fan of democracy, but this libertarian world sounds dreadful.

[DGuller]

I remember Hans posting an article from the NRO, decrying the move toward democracy in Hong Kong because it would ruin the free market as poor people would inevitably socialize the whole system.

To be fair, a lot of people claiming to be libertarian are really authoritarian reactionaries that selectively adopt some libertarians justifications for added legitimacy.

[grumbler]

The US will still tax my income if I move somewhere with lower taxes. That won't help me. 

You will get better return on the investment, or you won't do it.

[Razgovory]

I remember Hans posting an article from the NRO, decrying the move toward democracy in Hong Kong because it would ruin the free market as poor people would inevitably socialize the whole system.

To be fair, a lot of people claiming to be libertarian are really authoritarian reactionaries that selectively adopt some libertarians justifications for added legitimacy.

I'm not sure I would make a difference between the two.  Libertarians often decry the overarching federal powers that happen to curb the powers of the local elites have over the not so elite.  And by coincidence hardcore libertarians have pretensions toward being local elites.  When they talk about "local control" and "states rights", I suspect they have a good idea who they hope is going to be locals in control.  They remind me of the school yard bullies complaining that the teachers are monitoring the playgrounds.

[DGuller]

I remember Hans posting an article from the NRO, decrying the move toward democracy in Hong Kong because it would ruin the free market as poor people would inevitably socialize the whole system.

To be fair, a lot of people claiming to be libertarian are really authoritarian reactionaries that selectively adopt some libertarians justifications for added legitimacy.

I'm not sure I would make a difference between the two.  Libertarians often decry the overarching federal powers that happen to curb the powers of the local elites have over the not so elite.  And by coincidence hardcore libertarians have pretensions toward being local elites.  When they talk about "local control" and "states rights", I suspect they have a good idea who they hope is going to be locals in control.  They remind me of the school yard bullies complaining that the teachers are monitoring the playgrounds.

The "state rights libertarians" are actually the prime example of the faux libertarians I was talking about.

[Razgovory]

Then who are the true libertarians?

[DGuller]

Then who are the true libertarians?

Male Assburgers aged 20-30, for the most part.

[Razgovory]

Then who are the true libertarians?

Male Assburgers aged 20-30, for the most part.

Don't see that as mutually exclusive with people who pretensions of being local elites.