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U.S. income inequality worst since 1928

Started by jimmy olsen, December 10, 2013, 03:37:06 AM

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jimmy olsen

Not a good sign.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/12/05/u-s-income-inequality-on-rise-for-decades-is-now-highest-since-1928/
QuotePresident Obama took on a topic yesterday that most Americans don't like to talk about much: inequality. There are a lot of ways to measure economic inequality (and we'll be discussing more on Fact Tank), but one basic approach is to look at how much income flows to groups at different steps on the economic ladder.

Emmanuel Saez, an economics professor at UC-Berkeley, has been doing just that for years. And according to his research, U.S. income inequality has been increasing steadily since the 1970s, and now has reached levels not seen since 1928. (The GIF file at the top of this post, created by Dorsey Shaw of Buzzfeed, compares growth in average income of the top 1% of Americans with everyone else.)

Using tax-return data from the IRS, Saez has built extensive income-distribution datasets going back 100 years. He defines "income" as pre-tax cash market income — wages and salaries; dividends, interest, rent and other returns on invested capital; business profits; and realized capital gains. He excludes Social Security payments, unemployment benefits and other government transfer payments, which are more substantial today than before the Great Depression.

In 1928, the top 1% of families received 23.9% of all pretax income, while the bottom 90% received 50.7%. But the Depression and World War II dramatically reshaped the nation's income distribution: By 1944 the top 1%'s share was down to 11.3%, while the bottom 90% were receiving 67.5%, levels that would remain more or less constant for the next three decades.

But starting in the mid- to late 1970s, the uppermost tier's income share began rising dramatically, while that of the bottom 90% started to fall. The top 1% took heavy hits from the dot-com crash and the Great Recession but recovered fairly quickly: Saez's preliminary estimates for 2012 (which will be updated next month) have that group receiving nearly 22.5% of all pretax income, while the bottom 90%'s share is below 50% for the first time ever (49.6%, to be precise).

A century ago, Saez notes that the highest earners derived much of their income from earnings on the accumulated wealth of past generations. By contrast, "[t]he evidence suggests that top incomes earners today are..."working rich," highly paid employees or new entrepreneurs who have not yet accumulated fortunes comparable to those accumulated during the Gilded Age."

Americans aren't unaware of these trends. More than half (61%) of Americans said the U.S. economic system favors the wealthy, while just 35% said it's fair to most people, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted in March. A similar share (66%) of Americans said the gap between rich and poor had increased in the past five years; nearly three-quarters of respondents said the rich-poor gap was either a "very big" (47%) or "moderately big" (27%) problem.

As one might expect, low- and middle-income people were most likely to say the U.S. economic system favors the wealthy, but even 52% of high-income people agreed that it does. And while 54% of low-income people and 49% of middle-income people called the rich-poor gap a "very big" problem, only 36% of high-income people did so. A third of the high-income group said the rich-poor gap was either a small problem (19%) or not a problem at all (14%).

More than half (55%) of Republicans said the economic system is fair to most people, but majorities of Democrats (75%) and independents (63%) said it favors the wealthy. And 61% of Democrats and 50% of independents said the gap was a very big problem, versus only 28% of Republicans. Four-in-ten Republicans termed the gap either a small problem (22%) or not a problem at all (18%).
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 10, 2013, 03:37:06 AM
Not a good sign.

Here, this one's much better, and the only one that matters.

QuoteDow Jones Industrial Average
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mongers

Someone will be along in a minute to say this is the best of worlds.
"We have it in our power to begin the world over again"

Eddie Teach

Quote from: mongers on December 10, 2013, 06:18:06 AM
Someone will be along in a minute to say this is the best of worlds.

Dr Pangloss?
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Zanza

Shouldn't the title be "worst" instead of "worse"? The latter suggests a continual decline since 1928.

jimmy olsen

It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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Syt

I was actually holding my tongue this time ...
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
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Jacob



Jacob

Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 10, 2013, 12:41:02 PM
Why would I say that?

Seems like the kind of thing you've said in the past. You know... it's not the distance between the top and the bottom that matters, but that things at the bottom are better than ever what with colour TV and internet, cheap Walmart products and cheap meals at McDonald which they didn't have fifty years ago, and so on; and that the ever-accumulating wealth of the top tiers show how much economic freedom we enjoy, and so forth.

... but if that's not the kind of thing you'd say, I apologize for mischaracterizing your position.

Admiral Yi

No need to apologize; that is the kind of thing I say.

But how do you get from it doesn't matter to it's the it's the best of worlds?

Jacob

Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 10, 2013, 01:37:30 PM
No need to apologize; that is the kind of thing I say.

But how do you get from it doesn't matter to it's the it's the best of worlds?

Well, it's a shorter distance for you to go from saying "it doesn't matter" to "it's the best of worlds" than it is for someone to register with the name Dr. Pangloss and saying "it's the best of worlds". Strictly speaking, that's all I claimed :)

That said, I'm not sure I understand the significance you place on the difference between "it doesn't matter" and "it's the best of worlds" in this particular scenario.

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Jacob on December 10, 2013, 01:45:59 PM
That said, I'm not sure I understand the significance you place on the difference between "it doesn't matter" and "it's the best of worlds" in this particular scenario.

This is a real head scratcher. 

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KRonn

I wonder what the income disparity is for Canada, UK or other nations of people on Languish? Have other advanced economies kept the disparity between rich and poor more in check over the same time frame?