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Why Canada and the U.S. Should Merge, Eh?

Started by OttoVonBismarck, December 08, 2013, 01:36:40 PM

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CountDeMoney

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 08, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
And the US already has a method for incorporating new states. They just have to apply.

Exactly, applying for statehood is a relatively painless process: it's spelled out in the US Constitution, and it's been done. what, 37 times already?

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Neil on December 08, 2013, 04:06:45 PM
I think that there are some differences between how they approach things.  Because Canada doesn't have huge urban populations of people who are trapped as an underclass due to their ancestors being slaves, you don't see the same kind of identity politics on a national level in Canada.

Redskins.

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Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 08, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
I'm skeptical of Canada's ability to pull the US one way or another too much. They only have 10% of the population the US has.

But hey--they can't be made into a single nation-state. And the US already has a method for incorporating new states. They just have to apply.
But they'd have 20 Senators.
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 08, 2013, 05:18:11 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 08, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
I'm skeptical of Canada's ability to pull the US one way or another too much. They only have 10% of the population the US has.

But hey--they can't be made into a single nation-state. And the US already has a method for incorporating new states. They just have to apply.
But they'd have 20 Senators.

We could always squish the Maritimes together.
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PDH

Fuck that.  On Wyoming terms they would have something like 60 senators.
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Neil

Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 08, 2013, 05:04:26 PM
Quote from: Neil on December 08, 2013, 04:06:45 PM
I think that there are some differences between how they approach things.  Because Canada doesn't have huge urban populations of people who are trapped as an underclass due to their ancestors being slaves, you don't see the same kind of identity politics on a national level in Canada.
Redskins.
Are not urban, and were never slaves.  The populations on reserves bitch about everything, but so long as they stay on reserves, nothing can be done for them.
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Neil

Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 08, 2013, 04:56:23 PM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on December 08, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
And the US already has a method for incorporating new states. They just have to apply.

Exactly, applying for statehood is a relatively painless process: it's spelled out in the US Constitution, and it's been done. what, 37 times already?
Also impossible.  The US Constitution would be inadequate for the purpose.

I don't think there's any desire whatsoever in Canada to join the US.
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Quote from: PDH on December 08, 2013, 05:45:10 PM
Fuck that.  On Wyoming terms they would have something like 60 senators.

Alright, we merge Wyoming, Montana and Saskatchewan as well.
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Tonitrus

Quote from: Neil on December 08, 2013, 05:50:04 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 08, 2013, 05:04:26 PM
Quote from: Neil on December 08, 2013, 04:06:45 PM
I think that there are some differences between how they approach things.  Because Canada doesn't have huge urban populations of people who are trapped as an underclass due to their ancestors being slaves, you don't see the same kind of identity politics on a national level in Canada.
Redskins.
Are not urban, and were never slaves.  The populations on reserves bitch about everything, but so long as they stay on reserves, nothing can be done for them.

What about the Quebecers?  :P

Jacob

Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 08, 2013, 05:53:22 PM
Quote from: Neil on December 08, 2013, 05:50:04 PM
Are not urban, and were never slaves.

But do practice identity politics.

Yeah they do. There's the whole Quebecois identity too. But American style identity politics have a different flavour - if I had to make a generalization, I'd say they seem to be much more racially focused (it's all about Blacks and Whites and Asians and Jews and Hispanics or otherwise finding a racial group whose quirks, experiences and grievances you share), whereas the Canadian ones tend to be much more nation focused - Native groups and the Quebecois are all acknowledged to be nations, and much of the back and forth has to do with the explicit political rights that come that (or do not come with that).

Neil

Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 08, 2013, 05:53:22 PM
Quote from: Neil on December 08, 2013, 05:50:04 PM
Are not urban, and were never slaves.

But do practice identity politics.
Maybe, but nobody caters to them because they're irrelevant in an electoral sense.  Tiny populations spread across ridings full of lily-whites.  So no, the major parties don't play that game.

They only factor in terms feel-good Canadian diversity.
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