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Started by mongers, December 05, 2013, 10:35:24 PM

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11B4V

Quote from: Siege on December 05, 2013, 11:10:27 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on December 05, 2013, 11:09:27 PM
Quote from: Siege on December 05, 2013, 11:07:02 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on December 05, 2013, 10:56:49 PM
but MLK didnt spend 20+ years in prison either.

Yonatan Pollard have been longer in prision.

He's a traitor. Not the same.



"According to the CIA's 1987 damage assessment of Pollard's crimes, which was declassified on December 14, 2012, Pollard was not asked by his Israeli handlers to gather information on U.S. military activities, but rather to collect U.S. intelligence on Arab states, Pakistan and the Soviet Union, and especially their weapons systems.[126]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Pollard

http://www.timesofisrael.com/pollard-gathered-intelligence-on-arab-and-soviet-weaponry-not-us-military-activities-declassified-cia-document-reveals/

Traitor.
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QuoteWhen it came to gathering intelligence on the US itself, the report found Israel "did not request or receive from Pollard intelligence concerning some of the most sensitive US national security resources."

What the fuck does this mean?

Valmy

Quote from: Admiral Yi on December 05, 2013, 11:27:38 PM
QuoteWhen it came to gathering intelligence on the US itself, the report found Israel “did not request or receive from Pollard intelligence concerning some of the most sensitive US national security resources.”

What the fuck does this mean?

If they told you they would have to kill you.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Razgovory

Quote from: Siege on December 05, 2013, 11:07:02 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on December 05, 2013, 10:56:49 PM
but MLK didnt spend 20+ years in prison either.

Yonatan Pollard have been longer in prision.

And Charlie Manson has been even longer, so what?
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Siege



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Josephus

Quote from: mongers on December 05, 2013, 10:35:24 PM
The death of Nelson Mandela is a big story, but according to the BBC it's the only story. 

I've just spent some minutes replaying the BBC news stream and I can't find any other news being covered, not even the weather forecast.

I assume they had plenty of material already recorded and ready to role for this sad event.



My question is what sort of bias and perspective do you expect your news coverage to have ?

National vs international, breaking vs long term trends, serious vs celebrity content, what mix would you choose ?

All of that. But when it's a major news story, such as Mandela dying; a terror attack; a major weather catastrophe, you pretty much just cover that.
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DontSayBanana

Quote from: Siege on December 05, 2013, 10:57:51 PM
Unlike MLK, Mandela was a terrorist.

Under a loose enough definition of "terrorist" to include Mandela, so was George Washington.
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Valmy

Quote from: DontSayBanana on December 06, 2013, 06:58:31 PM
Quote from: Siege on December 05, 2013, 10:57:51 PM
Unlike MLK, Mandela was a terrorist.

Under a loose enough definition of "terrorist" to include Mandela, so was George Washington.

Did Mandela kill people in their beds at Christmas?  I thought not.  GW > Mandela.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

jimmy olsen

Quote from: Valmy on December 06, 2013, 11:52:37 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on December 06, 2013, 06:58:31 PM
Quote from: Siege on December 05, 2013, 10:57:51 PM
Unlike MLK, Mandela was a terrorist.

Under a loose enough definition of "terrorist" to include Mandela, so was George Washington.

Did Mandela kill people in their beds at Christmas?  I thought not.  GW > Mandela.
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Razgovory

I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

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Quote from: jimmy olsen on December 05, 2013, 11:20:33 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on December 05, 2013, 10:46:23 PM
Far more important than MLK.
I don't know if I buy that. Someone who has a significant impact on the U.S., or India or China for that matter, is likely to have more impact on the world than some one who has a massive impact on a country like South Africa.

Mandela had a significant impact outside of SA as well - in Africa, Europe, and North America.

PDH

Quote from: Valmy on December 06, 2013, 11:52:37 PM

Did Mandela kill people in their beds at Christmas?  I thought not.  GW > Mandela.

And that is why Frederick the Great called Washington the best terrorist ever!
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Siege

Friedrich II Hohenzollern of Prussia spoke about George W?



"All men are created equal, then some become infantry."

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"