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Neil

#3075
March 17, 2014, 11:08:11 AM
Quote from: derspiess on March 17, 2014, 10:35:43 AM
http://www.seattlepi.com/news/world/article/NATO-pledges-close-cooperation-with-Ukraine-5323555.php

QuoteDeshchytsya said in talks with NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen he "discussed our possible cooperation in the field of sending monitors to Ukraine."
:cool:
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.

derspiess

#3076
March 17, 2014, 11:25:32 AM
From The Interpreter blog:

Quote1600 GMT: NATO has announced that Atlas Vision, a training exercise scheduled to take place in Russia this summer, is canceled. Rapid Trident, however, an exercise to be held in Western Ukraine, will continue as planned. The Atlantic Council says that "the fact that the U.S. and its allies chose to go ahead with an exercise in Ukraine while canceling the one in Russia demonstrates Western support for Kiev in its confrontation with Moscow."
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

DGuller

#3077
March 17, 2014, 11:37:51 AM
I wonder if those moves towards NATO could actually make things worse for Ukraine.  Wouldn't that slow and transparent process just give Russia a clear time window to invade with impunity?  NATO doesn't give out temporary defensive alliances to candidate nations while their application is being reviewed, do they?

derspiess

#3078
March 17, 2014, 11:48:13 AM
Depends on how slow the process has to be, I guess.  Plus it adds some complexity for Russia to invade if NATO has troops in Ukraine during Rapid Trident.  And who's to say we couldn't extend the dates on that exercise?
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Razgovory

#3079
March 17, 2014, 12:08:37 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 17, 2014, 11:48:13 AM
Depends on how slow the process has to be, I guess.  Plus it adds some complexity for Russia to invade if NATO has troops in Ukraine during Rapid Trident.  And who's to say we couldn't extend the dates on that exercise?

Yeah, they might have to ask NATO forces to move to the side of the road so the convoy of Russian tanks can move through.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

derspiess

#3080
March 17, 2014, 12:11:56 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 17, 2014, 12:08:37 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 17, 2014, 11:48:13 AM
Depends on how slow the process has to be, I guess.  Plus it adds some complexity for Russia to invade if NATO has troops in Ukraine during Rapid Trident.  And who's to say we couldn't extend the dates on that exercise?

Yeah, they might have to ask NATO forces to move to the side of the road so the convoy of Russian tanks can move through.

Well, it wouldn't quite be the tripwire you & I would want, but it's something :mellow:
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

derspiess

#3081
March 17, 2014, 03:27:19 PM
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Viking

#3082
March 17, 2014, 03:48:46 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 17, 2014, 03:27:19 PM
Darn those Ukrainian provocateurs!

http://rt.com/news/ukraine-military-russian-border-214/

I hate it when idiot journos identify SPART as tanks.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

derspiess

#3083
March 17, 2014, 03:51:13 PM
Quote from: Viking on March 17, 2014, 03:48:46 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 17, 2014, 03:27:19 PM
Darn those Ukrainian provocateurs!

http://rt.com/news/ukraine-military-russian-border-214/

I hate it when idiot journos identify SPART as tanks.

You'd think Russians would know better.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Viking

#3084
March 17, 2014, 03:54:12 PM Last Edit: March 17, 2014, 04:42:34 PM by Viking
Quote from: derspiess on March 17, 2014, 03:51:13 PM
Quote from: Viking on March 17, 2014, 03:48:46 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 17, 2014, 03:27:19 PM
Darn those Ukrainian provocateurs!

http://rt.com/news/ukraine-military-russian-border-214/

I hate it when idiot journos identify SPART as tanks.


You'd think Russians would know better.

Western Lefty Useful Idiots?
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Habbaku

#3085
March 17, 2014, 03:56:43 PM
The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people.
-J. R. R. Tolkien

derspiess

#3086
March 17, 2014, 04:07:37 PM
Also, from what I'm reading in the RT.com comments, the Jewish money that controls US politics is directing the US to prop up a neo-Nazi regime in Ukraine. 
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

PJL

#3087
March 17, 2014, 04:13:59 PM
While I think Ukraine is right in securing the border, I'm not sure sending Guard / Maidan self defense squads is necessarily the best thing to do either. Why aren't regular army units being sent instead? If anything this will give Russia a justification for moving in.

Of course, this is from the RT website, so it could well be normal army units moving in anyway. If Western sources confirm it though, it would be a bad move by Ukraine.

Crazy_Ivan80

#3088
March 17, 2014, 04:21:30 PM
I doubt putin cares much for a real pretext. If he needs one he'll invent one.

Malthus

#3089
March 17, 2014, 04:22:43 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 17, 2014, 04:07:37 PM
Also, from what I'm reading in the RT.com comments, the Jewish money that controls US politics is directing the US to prop up a neo-Nazi regime in Ukraine.

We are ecumenical like that.  :)
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius
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