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Ukraine's European Revolution?

Started by Sheilbh, December 03, 2013, 07:39:37 AM

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Sheilbh

Quote from: Syt on May 16, 2014, 04:33:29 AM
He said in a recent interview that the crisis in Ukraine is partially the EU's fault and that the EU was suffering from delusions of grandeur if they think that their officials and bureaucrats are qualified at playing global politics, stretching into Ukraine and Georgia.
Both fair points that he probably made from within wreaths of menthol smoke :wub:
Let's bomb Russia!

derspiess

Quote from: Razgovory on May 16, 2014, 09:11:53 AM
Quote from: Syt on May 16, 2014, 07:35:25 AM
Russia now claims that there was a large number of drug addicts among the Maidan protesters and that there were drugs "like those used by the US military" circulated among them.  :wacko:

It really is like the Cold War.  They're making all kinds of bizarre statements.

Actually seems a little worse than the shit they spewed in the Cold War.
"If you can play a guitar and harmonica at the same time, like Bob Dylan or Neil Young, you're a genius. But make that extra bit of effort and strap some cymbals to your knees, suddenly people want to get the hell away from you."  --Rich Hall

Sheilbh

Again it seems like 19th century Russian nationalism. Russia alone as a bulwark of order, conservatism and Christianity against the degenerate and degenerating West.
Let's bomb Russia!

Malthus

Quote from: Sheilbh on May 16, 2014, 10:32:45 AM
Again it seems like 19th century Russian nationalism. Russia alone as a bulwark of order, conservatism and Christianity against the degenerate and degenerating West.

I wonder when Putin will start making noises about "liberating Constantinople" for the Orthodox Church ...
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

Sheilbh

Quote from: Malthus on May 16, 2014, 10:38:51 AM
I wonder when Putin will start making noises about "liberating Constantinople" for the Orthodox Church ...
It wouldn't shock me :lol:

But I believe that his support of Assad, in Russia, is very much portrayed as Russia fulfilling her traditional role of protecting Christians in the Middle East.
Let's bomb Russia!

Syt

Quote from: Sheilbh on May 16, 2014, 11:32:02 AM
Quote from: Malthus on May 16, 2014, 10:38:51 AM
I wonder when Putin will start making noises about "liberating Constantinople" for the Orthodox Church ...
It wouldn't shock me :lol:

But I believe that his support of Assad, in Russia, is very much portrayed as Russia fulfilling her traditional role of protecting Christians in the Middle East.

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/728978

QuoteImperial Orthodox Palestine Society delivers humanitarian aid to Damascus

In one year, over 80 tonnes of humanitarian aid worth $2 million have been sent to Syria

MOSCOW, April 21. /ITAR-TASS/. The Imperial Orthodox Palestine Society (IOPS) has delivered the 10th consignment of humanitarian aid to the Syrian capital of Damascus, IOPS Deputy Chairman Yelena Agapova said on Monday.

One tonne of baby milk powder has been sent to Damascus. The Patriarchate of Antioch and the Entire East and the Supreme Mufti of Syria will distribute the aid.

In one year, over 80 tonnes of humanitarian aid worth $2 million have been sent to Syria, Agapova told ITAR-TASS.

"One-third of people have become displaced persons inside their own country. Over the years of confrontation 130,000 Syrians, mostly Christians, have been killed. Militants kidnap clergymen and nuns, and destroy sacred places," she said.

According to earlier reports, on Tuesday, April 22, the Russian Emergency Situations Ministry will deliver more than 30 tonnes of humanitarian aid to Syria, mainly warm blankets, foodstuffs and tents.
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Valmy

Imperial Orthodox?  Are the Romanovs aware the Third Rome has been restored?
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Syt

http://voiceofrussia.com/2014_05_16/US-coup-failed-in-Ukraine-Kiev-juntas-days-are-numbered-0847/

QuoteThe western backed junta in Kiev, installed in February of this year after years of planning by the US/CIA/USAID/NATO/EU and billions of dollars spent on NGOs, destabilization teams, installing and paying for puppets and training, arming and backing far right nazi paramilitary groups and paying mercenaries from the Greystone private CIA army, may finally be showing the first signs of what has to be its imminent demise. Unless the breakup of Ukraine was the plan all along (which may be a possibility) the imminence of that demise should have been forecasted as well as the fact that the Ukrainian people would never support nazis in power. Knowing US foreign policy and their disasters all over the world one might then assume that Ukraine was just another failed US operation of historic proportions carried out by ignorant myopic planners delusional in their own invincibility.

Killing of Civilians Continues Despite Protests

The nazi junta's military operations against civilians and those opposed to them continue without a break or a hint of letting up in Ukraine. The junta has refused to listen to the people of Ukraine, international bodies, human rights organizations, Russian officials and even other members in the coup's own Rada who have become more and more vocal in their protests against the brutal regime of Turchinov, Yatsenyuk and the Right Sector.

The outrage in Russia, Ukraine and other countries where access to real reports and footage of Right Sector paramilitaries and what are supposed to be Ukrainian regular army forces gunning down unarmed civilians in the street is growing. The crimes of the junta continue to multiply on an hourly basis as they desperately attempt to force their stay in power against a people who want nothing to do with them. The television footage of Right Sector nazis beating to death civilians who are attempting to crawl away in pools of their own blood and the of fully armed and equipped soldiers shooting unarmed civilians cowering in terror is almost too much to stomach.

Entire Regions Flee Ukraine (Banderastan)

The nazis of Svoboda and the Right Sector and their leaders Yatsenyuk, Turchinov, Klitschko and the like have done nothing but bring misery and destruction to the Ukrainian state and the Ukrainian people. In their drive to fulfill the orders of their western paymasters and backers to enslave Ukraine to the IMF/NATO/EU/US, Nuland's triumvirate and the Banderavites and to attempt to maintain their desperate hold on power, the junta is bringing Ukraine to a state of all out civil war and complete and total economic collapse.
So far as a result of the nazi junta's illegal takeover of the Ukrainian Government Crimea has left Ukraine and reunified with Russia and the Donetsk and Lugansk regions have held democratic referendums and declared their independence with many more neighboring regions soon to follow.

Murder of Civilians by Right Sector in Ukraine

More details continue to come out regarding the horrible deaths at the House of Trade Unions in Odessa with the head of the Emergency Services Vladimir Bodelan, who was at the scene being dismissed for publishing his eyewitness version of the events on his Facebook page. According to the eyewitness account of the veteran rescuer, who has seen his share of bodies and death, what he saw at the House of Trade Unions was so horrible that it "cannot be real".

In his expert opinion he says the people in the House of Trade Unions all died in seconds and not the slow death of smoke inhalation. He also accounted how people were beaten to death and how the Right Sector brutally killed the people as well as how many people were able to successfully escape the burning building on their feet and then died suddenly on the spot.

He writes that even before the fire and smoke began pouring out of the House of Unions, on floors where there was no fire people were running to the windows trying to get fresh air to breathe. Again this was before the fire. He is 100% certain they were not affected by smoke from the fire. The head of the Emrgency Services says that his rescuers saved more than 350 people, and according to unofficial accounts there were more than 100 people killed in the fire.

Igor Kolomoisky Behind Odessa Tragedy Order Murder of Tsarov

In telephone conversations released on the internet even more details are coming out about the real situation in Ukraine. This time a conversation between former Ukrainian presidential candidate Oleg Tsarov, who was publically beaten and the Ukrainian oligarch Igor Kolomoisky. During the conversation Kolomoisky threatens to hang all of Tsarov's relatives in the public square and informs him that he has put out a 1 million dollar price tag on his head.

In the second conversation that was released between Jacob Epstein the counsel of Israel in Ukraine and Oleg Noginsky, during which Noginsky speaks about the above mentioned conversation, Kolomonsky's role in Odessa is revealed. The most chilling aspect of the conversation is the revelation that in the 72 hours before the conversation took place 16 of the people who had been arrested or rescued from the Odessa fire had already been killed with Noginsky saying that 2 of them were "cut" near their home. The name of the Igor Palitsa, the head of the Odessa region was also mentioned as being involved. Noginsky says Palitsa sees himself as a new Hitler and there will be a new nazi Germany in part of Ukraine.

According to Tsarev yesterday three buses of people in black paramilitary uniforms arrived at what they thought was his home (actually his neighbors) and destroyed everything inside and then set it on fire.

Turchinov and nazi Junta Finally Face Resistance in Rada

Alexander Efremov the Chairman of the Party of Regions faction openly stated that the current situation in the Verkhovna Rada is the height of hypocrisy as he led a demarche of the faction out of the Rada. The move was supported by the Communist faction.

The Party of Regions MP protested the fact that in eastern Ukraine innocent people are being killed and blamed what he called Turchinov's team. He stated that when asked to suspend the anti-"terrorist" operation the Rada pretends that nothing is happening.

Most likely such honest and brave shows of resistance to the junta will multiply as the junta continues to kill and terrorize the civilian population of Ukraine./
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.

Viking

First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Malthus

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

Valmy

 :lmfao: These guys write like crazy right wing conspiracy theorist Americans.  Are they going to turn the Crimea into a survivalist compound?
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Syt

Hungary.  :rolleyes:

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_17/Hungarys-PM-calls-again-to-grant-autonomy-to-Hungarians-in-Ukraine-7395/

QuoteHungary's PM calls again to grant autonomy to ethnic Hungarians in Ukraine

Hungary's Prime Minister resumed his calls for granting autonomy to ethnic Hungarians living in Ukraine, Reuters reported on Saturday. "Ukraine can be neither sustainable nor democratic if it does not grant its ethnic minorities, like Hungarians, the rights they deserve. This includes double (Hungarian) citizenship, collective rights and autonomy," Orban said.

Orban, who scored a solid victory during the elections last month, thus repeated his call to grant autonomy to over 200,000 ethnic Hungarians living in Western Ukraine.

He pressed the issue for the first time when he was sworn in as Hungary's prime minister. His words sparked a negative reaction in diplomatic circles, Voice of America points out.

Ukrainian Foreign Ministry said they were concerned with Orban's statements regarding granting autonomy and double citizenship to Hungarians living in Ukraine, and Hungary's ambassador to Ukraine was summoned on May 13 to provide an explanation.

Evgeny Perebiynis, head of the Information Policy Department of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, told journalists that Kiev asks its Hungarian partners to use a balanced approach in areas like ethno-national policy.

János Martonyi, head of the Hungarian Foreign Ministry, said in turn that Orban most likely meant local self-government rather than territorial autonomy.

Ukrainian Hungarians favor the creating of a national autonomy in the Zakarpatie Region. They also ask the current authorities in Kiev to give back the opportunity to the Hungarian parliament members to represent the ethnic minority in Verkhovna Rada.

Despite the fact that double citizenship is illegal in Ukraine, the official Budapest is handing out passports to residents of Zakarpatie (Transcarpathia). A few days ago Janos Martonyi, Hungary's Foreign Minister, stated his full support for the compatriots and their interests.

In Zakarpatie Hungarians and Rusyns call for the creation of a national autonomy. Being tired of the actions of the current Ukrainian authorities, they decided to distance themselves from those authorities as much as possible. The local parliament called the Hungarian-Rusyn National Congress would have the legislative powers. There is already a working name of the future autonomy – the Transcarpathian Regional Confederation of the Hungarian and Rusyn People. While ethnic Hungarian are considered to be a minority in Ukraine, the Rusyns do not have such a status in that country, says Denis Kiryukhin, an expert at the Kiev Center for Political Studies and Conflictology.

"Problems with the Rusyns have come up for several years already. That is the only ethnic minority in Ukraine, which Kiev has always refused to acknowledge. The relations between Rusyns and Ukrainians have been complicated and remain such to date."

Proponents of the Hungarian-Rusyn autonomy claim that everything Hungarian, as well as Rusyn needs to be separated from everything Ukrainian. And besides that Hungarians also advocate the creating of a "Hungarian" district during the elections to Verkhovna Rada. They are talking about the opportunity to run for the Ukrainian parliament for a candidate of Hungarian origin to represent that district.

Budapest supports such a desire of its compatriots. According to the statement made yesterday by Mihaly Bayer, Hungary's Ambassador to Ukraine, "the Ukrainian Hungarians would like to create an autonomy and take charge of their own affairs in Ukraine." Bayer did not deny that Hungary was actively handing out passports to the residents of Zakarpatie closing its eyes to the fact that it is prohibited to have double citizenship in Ukraine.

Thus, the situation is getting out of Kiev's control. When they found out about that the Ukrainian nationalists launched their angry rhetoric. From the moment Ukraine proclaimed its independence Kiev has not come up with anything other than "to build the Ukrainian political nation" without taking into account the ethnic composition of the peoples residing in the country. Along with the Ukrainian citizenship everybody has been assigned the official nationality – Ukrainian. In essence that project has led to a slow destruction of Ukraine's ethnic diversity. It is not surprising that the residents of Zakarpatie felt themselves discriminated against, thinks Rostislav Ischenko, a Ukrainian political analyst.

"The current Ukrainian authorities are trying to build a monoethnic state, which in essence is a Nazi state. Any ethnic minority is viewed as a threat to that monoethnicity. They are trying to conduct forced Ukrainization of all ethnic minorities. It cannot happen peacefully."

Current Kiev authorities, as well as the "orange" authorities, used any opportunity to criticize the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact forgetting that due to it Kiev gained Galicia, Western Volhynia, Bucovina and Zakarpatie. Now it has led to a situation when Budapest is ready to revise the borders.
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

Proud owner of 42 Zoupa Points.

Viking

Quote from: Valmy on May 16, 2014, 02:48:58 PM
:lmfao: These guys write like crazy right wing conspiracy theorist Americans.  Are they going to turn the Crimea into a survivalist compound?

Yes, Ukraine will be turning off the power and water.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Tamas

The Hungarian PM repeated his autonomy idiocy on a TV interview on Friday, stating that "a new Ukraine is being born. This is when expectations must be declared".

The Nazi party is gaining strength so as usual he is burying us in diplomacy to score some cheap votes.

However, maybe also as usual, he completely screws up timing, as this is breaking news on BBC now:

QuoteRussia's President Putin orders troops near Ukraine border to return "immediately" to their permanent bases

More to follow

celedhring

Is there a concentration of ethnic hungarians big enough in a given region to warrant autonomy? Honest question.