Taliban Jews flees Quebec from persecution

[viper37]

They were afraid the DPJ (Child protective services) would intervene in their affairs.
The community is Lev Tahor from Ste-Agathe-des-Monts.  The girls are married at a very young age, officially at 16 to respect canadian laws, but they don't have any choices.

Since forced marriage are frowned upon in Quebec, they moved to the land of freedom, Ontario

We're talking the same as these guys here:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4021877,00.html

Around 2011, 2 young israeli girls were arrested at Montreal's airport and returned to their country, upon an Israeli court order that decreed they were to be sent to a sect and joined in forced marriage.
And they tried the same stunt again recently.

Quebec and Israel: same fascists battles.  Thank God there's still freedom in Ontario where religion primes above everything else    They'll be free to cover 3 year old girls from head to toe and marry them into "good" families

[url=http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/national/201311/21/01-4713223-280-juifs-hassidiques-ultraorthodoxes-ont-fui-sainte-agathe-des-monts.phpFrench piece on their recent flight

Imho, it's good fucking riddance.

[Malthus]

What the what now? 

Can you explain, in a couple of sentences, exactly what you are upset about?

[Grey Fox]

What the what now? 

Can you explain, in a couple of sentences, exactly what you are upset about?

He's not upset, he's happy.

[viper37]

What the what now? 

Can you explain, in a couple of sentences, exactly what you are upset about?

Look at Grey Fox answer, I am happy, not upset

Ontario pride's itself in its religious tolerance, so religious extremists are moving there.  I personally think it's great!

[Malthus]

What the what now? 

Can you explain, in a couple of sentences, exactly what you are upset about?

Look at Grey Fox answer, I am happy, not upset

Ontario pride's itself in its religious tolerance, so religious extremists are moving there.  I personally think it's great!

This has nothing whatsoever to do, as I understand it, with "religious tolerance". 

Are you really of the opinion that child abuse is a-okay in Ontario? That there is no such thing as child protectivec services here?

Well, maybe thes guys, being Quebecers, share your delusions. If so, they are in for a sad realization.

[mongers]

What the what now? 

Can you explain, in a couple of sentences, exactly what you are upset about?

I think the Jews and the children are inconsequential, they're just ammunition with which to attack the Real enemy ? 

[Malthus]

What the what now? 

Can you explain, in a couple of sentences, exactly what you are upset about?

I think the Jews and the children are inconsequential, they're just ammunition with which to attack the Real enemy ?

I resent Quebec firing Jews and children at Ontario. 

[viper37]

This has nothing whatsoever to do, as I understand it, with "religious tolerance". 

It has everything to do with multiculturalsim, imho, and what Ontario has recently voted to protect.  These are the kind of people you attract.

Are you really of the opinion that child abuse is a-okay in Ontario? That there is no such thing as child protectivec services here?

I am of the opinion that when we're talking religious group, child protective services are more lenient, more hesitant to intervene than in other cases, in Quebec, Ontario and the rest of Canada.

Well, maybe thes guys, being Quebecers, share your delusions. If so, they are in for a sad realization.

They do believe they'll have an easier time in Ontario, and I'm incline to agree that they'll face less scrutiny for a while.  Forced marriage are on the rise in Ontario, and it seems nothing is being done about it, in fact, Ontario and Canada still seem to value religious freedom above everything else, wich is a mistake.

These guys ain't unique, numerous Christian fringe groups/sects exists with similar behaviors; well, maybe not the face&head covering, but the rest of the behavior is hardly unique.

Well, they're Ontario's problem now.

[Malthus]

It has everything to do with multiculturalsim, imho, and what Ontario has recently voted to protect.  These are the kind of people you attract.

I am of the opinion that when we're talking religious group, child protective services are more lenient, more hesitant to intervene than in other cases, in Quebec, Ontario and the rest of Canada.

They do believe they'll have an easier time in Ontario, and I'm incline to agree that they'll face less scrutiny for a while.  Forced marriage are on the rise in Ontario, and it seems nothing is being done about it, in fact, Ontario and Canada still seem to value religious freedom above everything else, wich is a mistake.

These guys ain't unique, numerous Christian fringe groups/sects exists with similar behaviors; well, maybe not the face&head covering, but the rest of the behavior is hardly unique.

Well, they're Ontario's problem now.

You have anything other than your say-so to substantiate your belief that Ontario in particular is a hotbed of evil cultitude?

Seems to me that whenever I hear about these freaky cult cases, they are in Quebec, or out west. Like the guys in your article, or these guys.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Solar_Temple

If you are really interested in forced marriage specifically, perhaps you could read this, wherein it is pointed out that the problem exists in both Ontario and Quebec: http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/cj-jp/fv-vf/fm-mf/p1.html#a1

[Eddie Teach]

Quebec rules, Ontario drools. 

[viper37]

You have anything other than your say-so to substantiate your belief that Ontario in particular is a hotbed of evil cultitude?

Here is what I said:
I am of the opinion that when we're talking religious group, child protective services are more lenient, more hesitant to intervene than in other cases, in Quebec, Ontario and the rest of Canada.[/u]

If you are really interested in forced marriage specifically, perhaps you could read this, wherein it is pointed out that the problem exists in both Ontario and Quebec: http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/cj-jp/fv-vf/fm-mf/p1.html#a1

My opinion is that Quebec is trying to do something about this, albeit badly.  It is trying to do something about religious excess, where as Canada is so afraid of losing its multiculturalism status that it won't move an inch.  And it gives stuff like that when you are too lenient on religious beliefs, as Quebec has been for years.  We tend to excuse way too much under the guise of religious freedom, and this will have to change in the near future, imho.

Of course, there are non religious sects as well, or numerous Christians sect.  And there are officially recognized religions I would categorize as sects myself (Jeovah's Witnesses and Raelians most notably).

[Malthus]

You have anything other than your say-so to substantiate your belief that Ontario in particular is a hotbed of evil cultitude?

Here is what I said:
I am of the opinion that when we're talking religious group, child protective services are more lenient, more hesitant to intervene than in other cases, in Quebec, Ontario and the rest of Canada.[/u]

If you are really interested in forced marriage specifically, perhaps you could read this, wherein it is pointed out that the problem exists in both Ontario and Quebec: http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/cj-jp/fv-vf/fm-mf/p1.html#a1

My opinion is that Quebec is trying to do something about this, albeit badly.  It is trying to do something about religious excess, where as Canada is so afraid of losing its multiculturalism status that it won't move an inch.  And it gives stuff like that when you are too lenient on religious beliefs, as Quebec has been for years.  We tend to excuse way too much under the guise of religious freedom, and this will have to change in the near future, imho.

Of course, there are non religious sects as well, or numerous Christians sect.  And there are officially recognized religions I would categorize as sects myself (Jeovah's Witnesses and Raelians most notably).

The theory is, let people wear funny hats, and next thing you know they are marrying off their kids? Prevent people from wearing funny hats, and the kid-marrying thing goes away?

This is similar in reasoning to "the solution to today's violent youth is to prohibit heavy metal music and video games".

[viper37]

The theory is, let people wear funny hats, and next thing you know they are marrying off their kids? Prevent people from wearing funny hats, and the kid-marrying thing goes away?

No.
As I said, the charter is a mess.  The clothing part is only that, a part of it, not even the most important.

But, if you restrict accomodations made on the basis of religion, you send a clear message that not everything is tolerated under the guise of "freedom of religion". 

If you don't allow Children to attend religious schools that do not conform to our other schools' curriculum, you minimise such risks, as the Child protective services would then have a clear basis on when to intervene: children don't attend officially recognized schools = children removed from family.

However, if you start giving exemptions for some Jewish or Muslim groups to teach their kids their values in their special schools, than you are creating a situation where it is harder to intervene for other sects, since they can easily point a finger toward other minorities who have such exemption.

Also, I wonder how the fuck can someone with a criminal record for kidnapping in his country of origin is allowed to immigrate in Canada.

This is similar in reasoning to "the solution to today's violent youth is to prohibit heavy metal music and video games".

Nah.  Heavy metal is what calms me, when I feel like I want to punch someone.  And video games help me by killing virtual people so I don't need to strangle anyone

[The Minsky Moment]

I don't think its fair to make cracks about Ontario over this.  It's a pipe dream to think these problems can be solved so easily, people can always Ford the crossing to the next province.   

I wonder whether the anti-Ontario frustration in Quebec is ultimately due to losing the Expos, while Toronto still has a mayor league team. 

[Eddie Teach]

I don't think its fair to make cracks about Ontario over this.

Who cares if it's fair, it's fun.