Senate passes Nuke option

[Jacob]

[MadImmortalMan]

Filibuster isn't the problem. The ability to filibuster without actually filibustering is the problem. The reason they didn't need to use cloture so damn often in the past is because back then you had to get the fuck up and keep talking in order to filibuster something.

[Admiral Yi]

That's one way to do it, but then a filibuster is just a one day or so stalling tactic.

Filibuster as minority blocking works if the minority is willing to vote for cloture with the majority in all but exceptional cases.

[Admiral Yi]

Incidentally I heard on NPR that Reid kept the filibuster for legislation and for SC nominees.

[Razgovory]

Incidentally I heard on NPR that Reid kept the filibuster for legislation and for SC nominees.

I'm cool for keeping it for SC nominees, that hasn't been a problem.  Legislation is a bit more iffy.

[derspiess]

Not sure what argument you think you are making here, since you don't make any argument at all, but these conclusions certainly aren't mutually exclusive.  Why don't you make an argument, and use these quotes as evidence, rather than simply providing the quotes and expecting people to read your mind as to why you think they are significant?

Why don't you just fuck off, old man.

[Admiral Yi]

One important aspect of this that I think is going largely unremarked is Reid's immediate objective.  Now I'm going on possibly faulty memory here from back when Reid first raised the possibility of going nukalar, but my understanding is that Reid wants first of all to expand the DC Court of Appeals, presumably so that he can fill it up Democratic nominees and create a Democratic majority.  The DC court is important because it has jurisdiction over all federal regulatory activity.

Not totally disimilar to FDR's attempt to pack the Supreme Court by expanding it.  That move created one of the strongest backlashes of his presidency and his Democratic Congress ended up voting it down.

[Viking]

It does seem that there was a huge surge in the use of filibusters, so it's not that surprising that the trigger got pulled in the end.

It's going to be fun some time in the future if this trend continues, with the Senate and Presidency are held by different parties. How will the executive function without being able to make any appointments?

Well, american parties are becoming more europeanized. Running a proper opposition by trying to stop anything and everything the government might do. As opposed to this silly bipartisanship ideal you people have over there.

[Ideologue]

I believe in monopartisanship.

[garbon]

I believe in monopartisanship.

Of course you do, China.

[mongers]

I believe in monopartisanship.

Is that what we call a combover ?

[grumbler]

Not sure what argument you think you are making here, since you don't make any argument at all, but these conclusions certainly aren't mutually exclusive.  Why don't you make an argument, and use these quotes as evidence, rather than simply providing the quotes and expecting people to read your mind as to why you think they are significant?

Why don't you just fuck off, old man.

Sorry to tax you with actually making arguments, old woman, but hat's how debate works.  Bursting into tears and telling someone to "fuck off" doesn't get you any traction.  Arguments with evidence get you traction.

Why don't you dry your tears and try again?

[grumbler]

One important aspect of this that I think is going largely unremarked is Reid's immediate objective.  Now I'm going on possibly faulty memory here from back when Reid first raised the possibility of going nukalar, but my understanding is that Reid wants first of all to expand the DC Court of Appeals, presumably so that he can fill it up Democratic nominees and create a Democratic majority.  The DC court is important because it has jurisdiction over all federal regulatory activity.

Not totally disimilar to FDR's attempt to pack the Supreme Court by expanding it.  That move created one of the strongest backlashes of his presidency and his Democratic Congress ended up voting it down.

Expanding the DC Court of Appeals isn't an immediate objective.  It would take House approval, which isn't going to be immediately available.

[Ideologue]

I believe in monopartisanship.

Of course you do, China.

That's low.

[derspiess]

Not sure what argument you think you are making here, since you don't make any argument at all, but these conclusions certainly aren't mutually exclusive.  Why don't you make an argument, and use these quotes as evidence, rather than simply providing the quotes and expecting people to read your mind as to why you think they are significant?

Why don't you just fuck off, old man.

Sorry to tax you with actually making arguments, old woman, but hat's how debate works.  Bursting into tears and telling someone to "fuck off" doesn't get you any traction.  Arguments with evidence get you traction.

Why don't you dry your tears and try again?

Okay.

Fuck off.