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Started by jimmy olsen, May 31, 2009, 08:56:41 PM

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Siege

#30
June 01, 2009, 10:11:33 AM
Greatest fighter ever is Martinus.

In his head, he have never lost an argument.


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grumbler

#31
June 01, 2009, 10:13:14 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 01, 2009, 10:08:34 AM
I was lampooning labelling the Fokker Triplane the best of WWI simply because Richtofen flew it for 20 of his kills.
Ah.  Well, I suppose it would have been funnier had anyone actually made the claim that the Fokker Triplane the best of WWI simply because Richtofen flew it for 20 of his kills, but you cannot have everything.
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Bayraktar!

Valmy

#32
June 01, 2009, 10:17:31 AM
Quote from: grumbler on June 01, 2009, 10:13:14 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 01, 2009, 10:08:34 AM
I was lampooning labelling the Fokker Triplane the best of WWI simply because Richtofen flew it for 20 of his kills.
Ah.  Well, I suppose it would have been funnier had anyone actually made the claim that the Fokker Triplane the best of WWI simply because Richtofen flew it for 20 of his kills, but you cannot have everything.

Am I going insane?  The entire point of this thread was to comment on an article that claimed just that.

Unless you want to argue the Zero, the Harrier, the Sabre, the ME 109, the F-18, the MiG 21, the Spitfire, and the Mustang are WWI fighters that is precisely what that article was saying.

So the someone was simply, you know, the article we were supposed to be discussing.  But we cannot all be literate.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

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#33
June 01, 2009, 10:22:45 AM
Tough day to make a case for the Airbus 330. Maybe tomorrow.
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grumbler

#34
June 01, 2009, 10:27:56 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 01, 2009, 10:17:31 AM
Am I going insane?  The entire point of this thread was to comment on an article that claimed just that.

Unless you want to argue the Zero, the Harrier, the Sabre, the ME 109, the F-18, the MiG 21, the Spitfire, and the Mustang are WWI fighters that is precisely what that article was saying.
:huh:  The article says
QuotePerhaps the classic World War I fighter, noted for the successes chalked up by Baron Manfred von Richthofen better known as the Red Baron.
and then goes on to claim that
QuoteThe extra wing allowed the plane to climb higher and to climb faster.

When the DR1 was rolled out in 1917 it wasn't just the superb wings and the top speed pf 115mph that made it an awesome fighter, it also had machine guns that fired through the propellor arc, a revolutionary World War I innovation. 
so it seems clear to me that, while the plane was noted for being BvR's plane, it was superior due to its climbing rate and firepower.

It nowhere states that the plane was superior "simply because Richtofen flew it for 20 of his kills."

QuoteSo the someone was simply, you know, the article we were supposed to be discussing.  But we cannot all be literate.
How about, before you get snippy, you learn to fucking read?  <_<
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lustindarkness

#35
June 01, 2009, 10:29:52 AM
Bruce lee.
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Savonarola

#36
June 01, 2009, 10:33:28 AM
Quote from: lustindarkness on June 01, 2009, 10:29:52 AM
Bruce lee.

He has to be.  He beat Chuck Norris in "Way of the Dragon;" and Chuck Norris can do wheelies on a unicycle.
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#37
June 01, 2009, 10:35:43 AM
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Valmy

#38
June 01, 2009, 10:36:31 AM Last Edit: June 01, 2009, 10:38:37 AM by Valmy
Quote from: grumbler on June 01, 2009, 10:27:56 AM
How about, before you get snippy, you learn to fucking read?  <_<

Me?  You were the dude who attacked me for no reason.  I thought we were just talking about planes.

Anyway the Fokker Triplane is called the best WWI fighter all the time and undeservedly so and IMO it is because of Richtofen.  If the article did not consider it the best then why did it put it in its top ten and not another fighter plane?  Why would it have even considered that plane without Richtofen?  It was not a very numerous plane and did not exactly dominate the skies at any point.  Even the Nieuport Baby and the Fokker Eindecker at least did that.

That was a projection on my part.  It did not say that the Triplane was the best because Richtofen shot down 20 planes in it...but then I didn't put fucking quotes around it or claim that was a direct quote from anything.  It was my own opinion and analysis of why the Triplane is over-rated.

Anyway it literally says:

QuotePerhaps the classic World War I fighter, noted for the successes chalked up by Baron Manfred von Richthofen better known as the Red Baron.

Why was it the classic World War I fighter?  What did it do besides have Richtofen fly in it?
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Grey Fox

#39
June 01, 2009, 10:40:17 AM
GSP


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Warspite

#40
June 01, 2009, 11:23:31 AM
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#41
June 01, 2009, 11:34:06 AM
Just to move the discussion along, "The Greatest Ever" has it's own criteria... but what criteria should be used to define the world's greatest.

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#42
June 01, 2009, 11:35:23 AM
The world's greatest fighter is another fighter.
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Savonarola

#43
June 01, 2009, 11:38:02 AM
Quote from: Viking on June 01, 2009, 11:34:06 AM
Just to move the discussion along, "The Greatest Ever" has it's own criteria... but what criteria should be used to define the world's greatest.

The Octagon
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Darth Wagtaros

#44
June 01, 2009, 11:49:52 AM
Quote from: PDH on June 01, 2009, 09:26:46 AM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on June 01, 2009, 08:33:43 AM
Quote from: PDH on June 01, 2009, 07:32:00 AM
P-47 Just because the P-51 lovers are like the Tims of aviation history.

No love for the Corsair?  :(
Pappy does give the Corsair a +1 to rep...
That's for damn sure.  The Black Sheep never flew no F-15 or a triplane.
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