The reality of "parental consent" for abortions

Started by merithyn, October 10, 2013, 08:03:36 AM

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merithyn

Quote from: derspiess on October 10, 2013, 08:27:06 AM
There's always adoption.

Absolutely. That's always an option.

The problem here is the lack of options. She's made a choice that works best for her, and the law is refusing to allow her to excercise that choice.
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merithyn

Quote from: Grey Fox on October 10, 2013, 09:00:45 AM
Never thought Nebraska would be an insane one.

:(

Nebraska suffers from apathy.

The extremists care and mobilize. The rest don't give a fuck.
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mongers

Quote from: merithyn on October 10, 2013, 09:04:19 AM
Quote from: derspiess on October 10, 2013, 08:27:06 AM
There's always adoption.

Absolutely. That's always an option.

The problem here is the lack of options. She's made a choice that works best for her, and the law is refusing to allow her to excercise that choice.

Indeed it does seem daft, from what I've read she seems to have an average or above average ability, for her age, to comprehend the ramification of the various choices she could make if allowed so.
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merithyn

Quote from: mongers on October 10, 2013, 09:10:46 AM

Indeed it does seem daft, from what I've read she seems to have an average or above average ability, for her age, to comprehend the ramification of the various choices she could make if allowed so.

Agreed. And to use the justification that she's never financially supported herself is ridiculous. That just basically says that any woman under the age of 18 cannot have an abortion.
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grumbler

Quote from: merithyn on October 10, 2013, 09:04:19 AM
Quote from: derspiess on October 10, 2013, 08:27:06 AM
There's always adoption.

Absolutely. That's always an option.

The problem here is the lack of options. She's made a choice that works best for her, and the law is refusing to allow her to excercise that choice.

Yes.  Imagine the reaction of those who argue that the girl shouldn't make the choice iif the court had insisted on an abortion when the girl wanted to have the baby and give it up for adoption.  I strongly suspect that Spicey would not make the argument that "there's always abortion."
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crazy canuck

the young woman wasn't mature enough to make the abortion decision but she is mature enough to be a mother. 

Interesting logic.

merithyn

Quote from: crazy canuck on October 10, 2013, 11:13:15 AM
the young woman wasn't mature enough to make the abortion decision but she is mature enough to be a mother. 

Interesting logic.

Or to choose to give the child up for adoption, which is far more difficult, psychologically & physcially, on a woman.
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crazy canuck

Quote from: merithyn on October 10, 2013, 11:18:45 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 10, 2013, 11:13:15 AM
the young woman wasn't mature enough to make the abortion decision but she is mature enough to be a mother. 

Interesting logic.

Or to choose to give the child up for adoption, which is far more difficult, psychologically & physcially, on a woman.

Agreed.

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merithyn

Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 10, 2013, 11:29:14 AM
Is there a myth of parental consent? :unsure:

I've forever heard that getting parental consent isn't difficult. If the parents are unavailable - or the woman fears being endangered - they can go before a judge to get permission. Basically, the judge's job was/is to make sure that the woman understands what she's asking for and is able to make a reasoned decision.

In this case, however, the girl appears to be articulate, capable, and well-aware of what her choices are, and yet the judge still denied her request for - in my opinion - spurious reasons. That, to me, belies the argument that it's not a big onus on women to require parental or judicial consent.
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derspiess

Quote from: merithyn on October 10, 2013, 11:18:45 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 10, 2013, 11:13:15 AM
the young woman wasn't mature enough to make the abortion decision but she is mature enough to be a mother. 

Interesting logic.

Or to choose to give the child up for adoption, which is far more difficult, psychologically & physcially, on a woman.

Then she shouldn't have had unprotected sex.
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merithyn

Quote from: derspiess on October 10, 2013, 11:42:29 AM
Quote from: merithyn on October 10, 2013, 11:18:45 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 10, 2013, 11:13:15 AM
the young woman wasn't mature enough to make the abortion decision but she is mature enough to be a mother. 

Interesting logic.

Or to choose to give the child up for adoption, which is far more difficult, psychologically & physcially, on a woman.

Then she shouldn't have had unprotected sex.

A bit like closing the door after the horse gets out, isn't it?

That is, of course, the preferred. However, mistakes happen.
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Kleves

Quote from: merithyn on October 10, 2013, 11:18:45 AM
Or to choose to give the child up for adoption, which is far more difficult, psychologically & physcially, on a woman.
Not as tough on the kid, though.
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merithyn

Quote from: Kleves on October 10, 2013, 11:44:55 AM
Quote from: merithyn on October 10, 2013, 11:18:45 AM
Or to choose to give the child up for adoption, which is far more difficult, psychologically & physcially, on a woman.
Not as tough on the kid, though.

Given that most abortions are required to take place before it's actually a kid, I'm not sure that's applicable.
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I met a man who wasn't there
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crazy canuck

Quote from: derspiess on October 10, 2013, 11:42:29 AM
Quote from: merithyn on October 10, 2013, 11:18:45 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on October 10, 2013, 11:13:15 AM
the young woman wasn't mature enough to make the abortion decision but she is mature enough to be a mother. 

Interesting logic.

Or to choose to give the child up for adoption, which is far more difficult, psychologically & physcially, on a woman.

Then she shouldn't have had unprotected sex.

The we shouldnt provide medical treatment for people who gets injured - shouldnt have been doing whatever caused their injury or should have carried out the activity in a manner that was more safe.  According to your logic we shoud also certainly not provide any medical treatment to anyone injury while carrying out a recreational or non work related action or activity.