Victims Push Laws to End Online Revenge Porn Posts

Started by Syt, September 24, 2013, 10:25:09 AM

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merithyn

Quote from: derspiess on September 24, 2013, 11:22:14 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on September 24, 2013, 11:05:34 AM
But that does not mean that people who abuse the trust of others should not also be held liable for that breach.

I never said that.  I just said that by using a tiny bit of common sense & caution, you can prevent yourself from becoming a victim.

So it would be allowing myself to be a victim by giving Max pictures of me nude if he asks for them?
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Quote from: merithyn on September 24, 2013, 11:45:10 AM
Quote from: derspiess on September 24, 2013, 11:22:14 AM
Quote from: crazy canuck on September 24, 2013, 11:05:34 AM
But that does not mean that people who abuse the trust of others should not also be held liable for that breach.

I never said that.  I just said that by using a tiny bit of common sense & caution, you can prevent yourself from becoming a victim.

So it would be allowing myself to be a victim by giving Max pictures of me nude if he asks for them?

Given that you are aware that the current law pretty much states that he can do whatever he likes with those pictures once you give them to him, I don't even know that I would consider you a "victim" at all if he betrayed your trust and posted them online.

You know that he can do that if you give them to him. You are making a completely informed choice. If he does something shitty like that, he is certainly an asshole, but are you really a "victim"?
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Quote from: derspiess on September 24, 2013, 10:57:28 AM
:lol: 

Gee, I wonder what she could have done to prevent this from being an issue in the first place...

Eh I don't know.  If you really want to destroy somebody online who you knew intimately there are tons of things you can use.  At the end of the day you have to trust some people and not just live your life in paranoia.

Of course I do not get the big deal with flirty pictures.  It seems so 18th century to judge people for completely harmless personal things like that.
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merithyn

Quote from: Berkut on September 24, 2013, 11:47:34 AM
Given that you are aware that the current law pretty much states that he can do whatever he likes with those pictures once you give them to him, I don't even know that I would consider you a "victim" at all if he betrayed your trust and posted them online.

You know that he can do that if you give them to him. You are making a completely informed choice. If he does something shitty like that, he is certainly an asshole, but are you really a "victim"?

I dunno. I don't really have a dog in this fight. But I do take issue with the idea that trusting someone makes you an idiot for ending up a victim.
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He wasn't there again today
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garbon

Quote from: Tamas on September 24, 2013, 11:17:22 AM
Quote from: garbon on September 24, 2013, 11:09:15 AM
Quote from: Berkut on September 24, 2013, 11:07:33 AM
Agreed. My only concern is about how such a law could be used in ways not intended.

And how do you prove that someone never gave consent for the images to be publicly available?

:yes:

It wasn`t nice of you to post your ex`s pics, garbon.

:hmm:
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garbon

Quote from: merithyn on September 24, 2013, 11:53:44 AM
Quote from: Berkut on September 24, 2013, 11:47:34 AM
Given that you are aware that the current law pretty much states that he can do whatever he likes with those pictures once you give them to him, I don't even know that I would consider you a "victim" at all if he betrayed your trust and posted them online.

You know that he can do that if you give them to him. You are making a completely informed choice. If he does something shitty like that, he is certainly an asshole, but are you really a "victim"?

I dunno. I don't really have a dog in this fight. But I do take issue with the idea that trusting someone makes you an idiot for ending up a victim.

I think if you think it could be a problem if naked pics of you got out, then I think it might be idiotic to take them/allow them to be taken.

Well actually I'm not sure idiot is the word I would use. I would think it would be very naive to think that you had put yourself at risk.
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garbon

Quote from: Valmy on September 24, 2013, 11:48:11 AM
Quote from: derspiess on September 24, 2013, 10:57:28 AM
:lol: 

Gee, I wonder what she could have done to prevent this from being an issue in the first place...

Eh I don't know.  If you really want to destroy somebody online who you knew intimately there are tons of things you can use.  At the end of the day you have to trust some people and not just live your life in paranoia.

:yes:

That said, I don't see the appeal of sending nude pics....though I do understanding want to receive them. :hmm:
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derspiess

Quote from: merithyn on September 24, 2013, 11:45:10 AM
So it would be allowing myself to be a victim by giving Max pictures of me nude if he asks for them?

I would consider that a lapse in judgment.  I certainly hope you & Max are together forever, and I have no reason to think Max would do anything bad with said pictures, but this is an area in which caution is certainly called for.  Even if Max never intentionally shared the pics, no data is ever 100% secure.

And I'm pretty certain an independent woman such as yourself would have enough sense not to fall for the "you'll do it if you love me" line.
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merithyn

Quote from: derspiess on September 24, 2013, 12:04:39 PM
I would consider that a lapse in judgment.  I certainly hope you & Max are together forever, and I have no reason to think Max would do anything bad with said pictures, but this is an area in which caution is certainly called for.  Even if Max never intentionally shared the pics, no data is ever 100% secure.

And I'm pretty certain an independent woman such as yourself would have enough sense not to fall for the "you'll do it if you love me" line.

There are so many variations on that line.

"I'll be away from you, and I need to see you while I'm gone. I love you."

"You know what I'd really love for my birthday? I've love to have some nudes of you. Would you?"

"I love how much we trust one another. Our relationship is so solid. Oh, you know what I was thinking? I'd absolutely love to have some pics of you. No, not like that. Here, take your shirt off."

I wouldn't do it anymore than I would get a person's name tattooed on my butt. But I'm an old, embittered divorce'. Not everyone else is.
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I met a man who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
I wish, I wish he'd go away...

garbon

Quote from: merithyn on September 24, 2013, 12:23:48 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 24, 2013, 12:04:39 PM
I would consider that a lapse in judgment.  I certainly hope you & Max are together forever, and I have no reason to think Max would do anything bad with said pictures, but this is an area in which caution is certainly called for.  Even if Max never intentionally shared the pics, no data is ever 100% secure.

And I'm pretty certain an independent woman such as yourself would have enough sense not to fall for the "you'll do it if you love me" line.

There are so many variations on that line.

"I'll be away from you, and I need to see you while I'm gone. I love you."

"You know what I'd really love for my birthday? I've love to have some nudes of you. Would you?"

"I love how much we trust one another. Our relationship is so solid. Oh, you know what I was thinking? I'd absolutely love to have some pics of you. No, not like that. Here, take your shirt off."

I wouldn't do it anymore than I would get a person's name tattooed on my butt. But I'm an old, embittered divorce'. Not everyone else is.

I'd also say no to all of them. But then I was born jaded and first received nude pics when 11/12. :(
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