Walesa: 'We need to make one state from Poland and Germany'

[Camerus]

Kaum gestohlen, schon in Polen.

[crazy canuck]

What possible upside would Germany have? 

[Jacob]

What possible upside would Germany have?

The East-West divide amongst Germans would recede as they unite to look down on the Poles?

[Ideologue]

What possible upside would Germany have?

They can trade space for time when the Russians come.

[Ed Anger]

Extra potatoes!

[Duque de Bragança]

http://www.thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/148015,Walesa-We-need-to-make-one-state-from-Poland-and-Germany

Walesa: 'We need to make one state from Poland and Germany'

Former president Lech Walesa has said that in the era of globalisation "we need to make one state from Poland and Germany – EUROPE."
Walesa made the remarks in an interview with Russia's ITAR-TASS news agency in the lead up to next month's meeting of Nobel Prize-winners in Warsaw.

Recalling his role as the leader of Solidarity, and the influence the trade union had on other dissidents behind the Iron Curtain, he said that "my struggle led to the reunification of Germany and the creation of the state of Europe.

"We removed the borders," he added.

"We have gone so far in our technical advancements that we are no longer located in our own countries.

"We need to expand our economic and defence structures, and various others, and make one state from Poland and Germany – Europe," he said.

"This is the broadening of geographical structures, while the economy and democracy should also be altered," he reasoned.

"It's Lego bricks."

Meanwhile, Walesa said that institutions such as the United Nations, NATO and the Council of Europe were "ideas from a past era" and that the world is "badly organised."

On Poland's relationship with Russia, Walesa reflected that there was much room for progress.

"The Germans have done us a lot more evil, and the relationship we have [with them] now is much better than that with Russia. Why?

"Because after the war, Germany fully confessed to all its dirty tricks. It's necessary to say once and for all who did something evil, full stop. Until we do, the wound won't heal." (nh)

What is Hans Frank doing these days?

Some selective quoting from the grave?
Walesa is just another Euro-federalist now. Anyways, we'll let the surviving Kaczynski decide.

[garbon]

http://www.thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/148015,Walesa-We-need-to-make-one-state-from-Poland-and-Germany

Walesa: 'We need to make one state from Poland and Germany'

Former president Lech Walesa has said that in the era of globalisation "we need to make one state from Poland and Germany – EUROPE."
Walesa made the remarks in an interview with Russia's ITAR-TASS news agency in the lead up to next month's meeting of Nobel Prize-winners in Warsaw.

Recalling his role as the leader of Solidarity, and the influence the trade union had on other dissidents behind the Iron Curtain, he said that "my struggle led to the reunification of Germany and the creation of the state of Europe.

"We removed the borders," he added.

"We have gone so far in our technical advancements that we are no longer located in our own countries.

"We need to expand our economic and defence structures, and various others, and make one state from Poland and Germany – Europe," he said.

"This is the broadening of geographical structures, while the economy and democracy should also be altered," he reasoned.

"It's Lego bricks."

Meanwhile, Walesa said that institutions such as the United Nations, NATO and the Council of Europe were "ideas from a past era" and that the world is "badly organised."

On Poland's relationship with Russia, Walesa reflected that there was much room for progress.

"The Germans have done us a lot more evil, and the relationship we have [with them] now is much better than that with Russia. Why?

"Because after the war, Germany fully confessed to all its dirty tricks. It's necessary to say once and for all who did something evil, full stop. Until we do, the wound won't heal." (nh)

What is Hans Frank doing these days?

Some selective quoting from the grave?
Walesa is just another Euro-federalist now. Anyways, we'll let the surviving Kaczynski decide.

A Europe made up of only Poland and Germany?

[Sheilbh]

It may not be a practical idea, but it's a positive sign in terms of how Poles (or at least Walesa) view Germans.

Radoslaw Sikorski (Europe's best foreign minister) had a speech about Europe and the Eurozone (including a warning to Britain, where he studied). One of it's most striking sections was this paragraph:
'I demand of Germany that, for your sake and for ours, you help [the euro zone] survive and prosper. You know full well that nobody else can do it. I will probably be the first Polish foreign minister in history to say so, but here it is: I fear German power less than I am beginning to fear German inactivity. '
It is a very good thing.

[KRonn]

What's with nations still fearing Germany? Isn't all of that long done, over with? The Germans, nor any other nation in western or eastern Europe, don't seem to ever have any notion of making wars of conquest. Maybe at some point a fear of a resurgent Russia uniting some of the break away nations and taking over some others seems about the biggest threat.

[The Brain]

It may not be a practical idea, but it's a positive sign in terms of how Poles (or at least Walesa) view Germans.

Radoslaw Sikorski (Europe's best foreign minister) had a speech about Europe and the Eurozone (including a warning to Britain, where he studied). One of it's most striking sections was this paragraph:
'I demand of Germany that, for your sake and for ours, you help [the euro zone] survive and prosper. You know full well that nobody else can do it. I will probably be the first Polish foreign minister in history to say so, but here it is: I fear German power less than I am beginning to fear German inactivity. '
It is a very good thing.

It's good that someone has a helicopter perspective.