The Government Shutdown Countdown Lowdown MEGATHREAD

[Razgovory]

woa, wait, 21% of Americans think positively of the Tea Party? That`s more support than the Hungarian neo-nazis have. 

Tea Party aren't neo-nazis, though.  Mostly, they are old people.

[Razgovory]

It looks like word is Boehner is going to the White House this evening with a six week increase of the debt ceiling with no conditions attached. No mention on a CR. I assumed a short-term "clean" bill was the only real possible outcome here. The President had drawn too deep a line on "no negotiations during the shutdown/threat of default", and the Republicans obviously have no ability to even get the President to negotiate if they funded government for a year or something like that. So short term legislation was really the only outcome I could see that would work for both sides. It'll be interesting to see if a negotiation actually happens during the window, or if we're just shut down again in six weeks.

If Boehner has grown the balls to challenge the 42-or-so wingnuts in his party holding the country to hostage, then that's actually much better news than anything actually in the bills. The tea party types have no real chance to return the country to the 1900s, so they should be discouraged from trying, and instead be encouraged to work towards compromise, like the far left apparently (MoveOn ShutDown Occupy, etc) has.

See unlike the Navy or a private school, you can't just order people to do things in the House.  If a group of congressman really dig in their heels, you really can't make them do anything.

[Eddie Teach]

woa, wait, 21% of Americans think positively of the Tea Party? That`s more support than the Hungarian neo-nazis have. 

You've been listening to CDM too much.

[Tamas]

woa, wait, 21% of Americans think positively of the Tea Party? That`s more support than the Hungarian neo-nazis have. 

You've been listening to CDM too much.

I am sorry but apart from the European far right being more socialist, I fail to see the difference between them and the TP. They are your far right. And 5th of your population thinks they are cool. Deal with it.

[Eddie Teach]

I am sorry but apart from the European far right being more socialist, I fail to see the difference between them and the TP. They are your far right. And 5th of your population thinks they are cool. Deal with it.

So except for the European far right being more (trait that is directly opposite of Tea Party's guiding principle), you fail to see the difference? That's funny.

Only idiots would describe the Tea Party as neo-Nazis. I assume that's not true for the European parties you've described as neo-Nazis. So there's another difference.

Besides, if the government's not running, how are they gonna get people into the camps?

[Tamas]

I am sorry but apart from the European far right being more socialist, I fail to see the difference between them and the TP. They are your far right. And 5th of your population thinks they are cool. Deal with it.

So except for the European far right being more (trait that is directly opposite of Tea Party's guiding principle), you fail to see the difference? That's funny.

Only idiots would describe the Tea Party as neo-Nazis. I assume that's not true for the European parties you've described as neo-Nazis. So there's another difference.

Besides, if the government's not running, how are they gonna get people into the camps?

They are intolerant, radical representatives of the right-sided values of their country. How is that not far-right, the mind boggles.

[Eddie Teach]

I didn't say they aren't "far right". I said they're different from your far right. And honestly throwing tantrums about tax money going to subsidize health care isn't a particularly scary form of extremism.

[Tamas]

I didn't say they aren't "far right". I said they're different from your far right. And honestly throwing tantrums about tax money going to subsidize health care isn't a particularly scary form of extremism.

Yeah they haven`t done anything stupid, scary, or controversial before this.

[Razgovory]

I am sorry but apart from the European far right being more socialist, I fail to see the difference between them and the TP. They are your far right. And 5th of your population thinks they are cool. Deal with it.

So except for the European far right being more (trait that is directly opposite of Tea Party's guiding principle), you fail to see the difference? That's funny.

Only idiots would describe the Tea Party as neo-Nazis. I assume that's not true for the European parties you've described as neo-Nazis. So there's another difference.

Besides, if the government's not running, how are they gonna get people into the camps?

They are intolerant, radical representatives of the right-sided values of their country. How is that not far-right, the mind boggles.

Many are intolerant but there are levels of intolerance.  There is the "I don't much care for Xs", and the "Let's go out and beat up some Xs".  The second one is what Neo-Nazi types do.  A second thing is that many are not intolerant of others.

[grumbler]

Yeah they haven`t done anything stupid, scary, or controversial before this.

Don't go full retard on us, Tamas.  The world is full of political parties that had proposed policies that are "stupid, scary, or controversial" without those parties being the equivalent of the Hungarian neo-Nazis.

The US equivalent of the Hungarian Nazis is the American Nazis.  The Tea Parties are not Nazi-like in any discernible fashion.

[garbon]

OK, he has destroyed the Republican Party (or permitted them to destroy themselves) as an organized force for evil for the next decade.

But in a way, I think I'm right, despite my hyperbole: when the Republican Party finally reconstitutes, it will be a very different beast, one less retarded.

[Tamas]

Ok, not neo-Nazis.

But how they are not the far-right of the American spectrum, I fail to see.

[CountDeMoney]

But in a way, I think I'm right, despite my hyperbole: when the Republican Party finally reconstitutes, it will be a very different beast, one less retarded.

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lol, no kidding.  They'll still be pretty retarded.

[garbon]

But in a way, I think I'm right, despite my hyperbole: when the Republican Party finally reconstitutes, it will be a very different beast, one less retarded.

lol, no kidding.  They'll still be pretty retarded.
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I was laughing at the idea that Obama has destroyed the Republican party.

On a different note:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/republican-failure-may-boost-tea-party/article14824273/

Budget battle may strengthen Tea Party grip on GOP

[CountDeMoney]

I was laughing at the idea that Obama has destroyed the Republican party.

In a way, he has;  their pure hatred of the man and all things black has turned them inside out to a degree not seen since the Democrat's hatred of Nixon totally fractured the party.