Will the Congress approve military action against Syria

Started by jimmy olsen, September 02, 2013, 01:03:22 AM

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Will the Congress approve military action against Syria?

Both the Senate and the House
16 (40%)
The Senate, but not the House
16 (40%)
The House, but not the Senate
0 (0%)
Neither of them will approve
8 (20%)

Total Members Voted: 39

DGuller

I wonder if McCain suffers from some kind of complex that makes him involve US in all kinds of unlimited fights.  Maybe he never got it out of his system, being put out of action so early in his Vietnam tour.

MadImmortalMan

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KRonn

Quote from: Tamas on September 05, 2013, 07:33:20 AM
Quote from: KRonn on September 05, 2013, 07:25:44 AM
I haven't been for this action in Syria to be taken unilaterally by the US, or with just a few willing nations. I'm very wary of the amendment that McCain had added which aims towards leveling the field between Assad and the Rebels which means the US can take much broader action. Especially if the Assad regime is weakened enough by US action and falls, then the US may send in many thousands of troops to secure the WMD stockpiles. That can be considered a non-combat action so passes muster with the spirit of the action being debated by Congress, just securing the sites, but obviously that will entail fighting with Hezbollah, Iranian fighters and other factions and I'd think likely over a long time period.

actually, just flying in when major fighting stops, landing airborne at the known chemical storage sites, grabbing whatever is there, and then getting the fuck out (shooting anybody who raises an eyebrow in the process), never looking back would be a great idea. I don`t think the US has the balls for it though.

Well, if the US takes further action to destablize the Syrian regime and helps cause its downfall, the US would seem to have some responsibility for securing the chems/bios, or face the blame for the stuff falling into the wrong hands. And it would likely be a larger and longer effort to secure the sites than a short event. Moving around among many hostile forces which would involve some fighting to locate and secure sites, find new sites the stuff has been moved to,  securing airfields for transport planes or moving by truck to the coast, in order to transport many tons of the stuff out. Pentagon estimates that I heard discussed in the news said seventy-five thousand troops may be needed for this task.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: DGuller on September 05, 2013, 07:41:04 AM
I wonder if McCain suffers from some kind of complex that makes him involve US in all kinds of unlimited fights.  Maybe he never got it out of his system, being put out of action so early in his Vietnam tour.

McCain is still, and has always been, a firm believer in the approach that US power is a force of good and that the US is, as John Kerry said yesterday, the indispensable nation.

Berkut

Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 05, 2013, 02:01:44 PM
Quote from: DGuller on September 05, 2013, 07:41:04 AM
I wonder if McCain suffers from some kind of complex that makes him involve US in all kinds of unlimited fights.  Maybe he never got it out of his system, being put out of action so early in his Vietnam tour.

McCain is still, and has always been, a firm believer in the approach that US power is a force of good and that the US is, as John Kerry said yesterday, the indispensable nation.

Someone has to believe it. Lord knows nobody on the left does anymore.
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CountDeMoney

Funny, I happen to see a President and a Secretary of State that still do.

Berkut

Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 05, 2013, 03:54:16 PM
Funny, I happen to see a President and a Secretary of State that still do.

Yeah, but the President is being pretty amazingly fucking wishy washy about it.

But I take your point. I was probably being a bit more douchesnarky than was warranted.
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derspiess

I asked my Syrian uncle over the weekend to for his thoughts on the situation in Syria:  he still doesn't give a shit. 
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Berkut on September 05, 2013, 03:58:04 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 05, 2013, 03:54:16 PM
Funny, I happen to see a President and a Secretary of State that still do.

Yeah, but the President is being pretty amazingly fucking wishy washy about it.

But I take your point. I was probably being a bit more douchesnarky than was warranted.

A sense of detachment, slow deliberation and an overly analytical approach to decision-making to the point it makes Hamlet look decisive is one thing--that's what happens when constitutional law professors get elected President--but this Administration has always shown all the signs of promoting classic liberalism in US foreign policy.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: derspiess on September 05, 2013, 04:09:23 PM
I asked my Syrian uncle over the weekend to for his thoughts on the situation in Syria:  he still doesn't give a shit.

Which Damascus suburb does he live in?

derspiess

Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 05, 2013, 04:18:30 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 05, 2013, 04:09:23 PM
I asked my Syrian uncle over the weekend to for his thoughts on the situation in Syria:  he still doesn't give a shit.

Which Damascus suburb does he live in?

Middletown.
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crazy canuck

Quote from: derspiess on September 05, 2013, 04:09:23 PM
I asked my Syrian uncle over the weekend to for his thoughts on the situation in Syria:  he still doesn't give a shit.

The options that present themselves:

a) deaf, dumb or blind - or all of them;
b) he thought you were asking his thoughts on what toilet paper you should use;
c) He isnt Syrian

Ed Anger

Quote from: derspiess on September 05, 2013, 04:44:57 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 05, 2013, 04:18:30 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 05, 2013, 04:09:23 PM
I asked my Syrian uncle over the weekend to for his thoughts on the situation in Syria:  he still doesn't give a shit.

Which Damascus suburb does he live in?

Middletown.

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Quote from: derspiess on September 05, 2013, 04:09:23 PM
I asked my Syrian uncle over the weekend to for his thoughts on the situation in Syria:  he still doesn't give a shit.
And you felt the need to tell us he's a bad person, why?
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derspiess

Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 05, 2013, 05:26:21 PM
Quote from: derspiess on September 05, 2013, 04:09:23 PM
I asked my Syrian uncle over the weekend to for his thoughts on the situation in Syria:  he still doesn't give a shit.
And you felt the need to tell us he's a bad person, why?

:huh:
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