Somalia is suffering an "explosive" outbreak of polio

[crazy canuck]

Sigh, do you even read my posts anymore.

You will note that the problem has been caused by the nonsense people were spouting about vaccination causing autism.  That shows up in the data where the pockets are formed in affluent communities (not just poor folks as you asserted).  Interestingly the data shows that while poor folks have underimmunized children they do not tend to have children who are not immunized at all.  The characteristics of the two groups tend to be different.  Basically - poor = probably dont have the full schedule of immunization while rich and stupid means you bought into the autism scare and simply refused to have your child immunized.

[merithyn]

Sigh, do you even read my posts anymore.

You will note that the problem has been caused by the nonsense people were spouting about vaccination causing autism.  That shows up in the data where the pockets are formed in affluent communities (not just poor folks as you asserted).  Interestingly the data shows that while poor folks have underimmunized children they do not tend to have children who are not immunized at all.  The characteristics of the two groups tend to be different.  Basically - poor = probably dont have the full schedule of immunization while rich and stupid means you bought into the autism scare and simply refused to have your child immunized.

Still not seeing what you're arguing. I said that the situation was getting better. Where does this refute that?

[crazy canuck]

Sigh, do you even read my posts anymore.

You will note that the problem has been caused by the nonsense people were spouting about vaccination causing autism.  That shows up in the data where the pockets are formed in affluent communities (not just poor folks as you asserted).  Interestingly the data shows that while poor folks have underimmunized children they do not tend to have children who are not immunized at all.  The characteristics of the two groups tend to be different.  Basically - poor = probably dont have the full schedule of immunization while rich and stupid means you bought into the autism scare and simply refused to have your child immunized.

Still not seeing what you're arguing. I said that the situation was getting better. Where does this refute that?

You said the only people not getting vaccinated are poor people in an attempt to buttress your argument that the autism scare convincing people not to vaccinate was nothing more than an internet meme.  You were wrong about that.  There are still pockets of affluent people who are still not getting their kids vaccinated.  By the way I think I recall you arguing back in the day against vaccinations because of the "risks" or am I confusing you with someone else?

[merithyn]

You said the only people not getting vaccinated are poor people in an attempt to buttress your argument that the autism scare convincing people not to vaccinate was nothing more than an internet meme.  You were wrong about that.  There are still pockets of affluent people who are still not getting their kids vaccinated.  By the way I think I recall you arguing back in the day against vaccinations because of the "risks" or am I confusing you with someone else?

Now who's not reading whose posts? I posted CDC stats showing that AFTER A DIP more people than ever are being vaccinated in the US.  What the hell are YOU trying to say?

I've never been against vaccinations as a rule. I was against certain vaccinations being required by law for school children, such as varicella, due to the ongoing risks associated with adults not getting boosters and ending up with a much more severe case of chicken pox. I felt that people should have the right to decide for themselves for those vaccines that are essentially convenience vaccines. The risks have since been mostly remedied which has changed some of my leanings on that, though I still don't believe that they should be required by law.

[crazy canuck]

Now who's not reading whose posts?

So who was it that said this?

Most kids who aren't vaccinated are below the poverty line, and I have a feeling that those parents aren't so up on the scare-mongering regarding "natural parenting", etc.

[merithyn]

Now who's not reading whose posts?

So who was it that said this?

Most kids who aren't vaccinated are below the poverty line, and I have a feeling that those parents aren't so up on the scare-mongering regarding "natural parenting", etc.

READ THE FUCKING STATS, CC! That is an accurate and true statement directly from the CDC!

My point is and was that IT'S GETTING BETTER! For fuck's sake! You do hold onto whatever bone you think someone has given you, even when it turns out to be a rock, don't you?

[Neil]

Why would you assume that poor people aren't vulnerable to scaremongering?

[Jacob]

Outbreak of Measles amongst Orthodox Jews in Brooklyn this year: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/13/a-maddening-case-of-the-measles-in-orthodox-jewish-brooklyn.html

[crazy canuck]

Now who's not reading whose posts?

So who was it that said this?

Most kids who aren't vaccinated are below the poverty line, and I have a feeling that those parents aren't so up on the scare-mongering regarding "natural parenting", etc.

READ THE FUCKING STATS, CC! That is an accurate and true statement directly from the CDC!

My point is and was that IT'S GETTING BETTER! For fuck's sake! You do hold onto whatever bone you think someone has given you, even when it turns out to be a rock, don't you?

Sigh,

The point you are making does not address the concern I raised, which is that there are pockets of morons who continue to refuse to vaccinate.  You blamed it on poverty.  The facts do not support your assumption.

In the other thread you made a point about people who are good at math not necessarily being smart.  But any statistician will tell you that simply because an overall population is doing something does not mean that there are still not outliers that are doing something completely different.  Which is of course the problem!

I have read the fucking stats and there is nothing there to support your suggestion that poor folks tend not to vaccinate in greater numbers.  Indeed on that stats you gave the difference on some of the charts is so small as to likely be statistically insignficant.  I have already referred you to links which suggest that affluent folks are not vaccinated for stupid reasons.  If you wish to read them be my guest but I am done with you.

[merithyn]

Sigh,

The point you are making does not address the concern I raised, which is that there are pockets of morons who continue to refuse to vaccinate.  You blamed it on poverty.  The facts do not support your assumption.

I did no such thing! I said that those pockets are shrinking. I said that the highest number of people not vaccinating were poor. Just because you read that differently doesn't mean that I made that point.

In the other thread you made a point about people who are good at math not necessarily being smart.  But any statistician will tell you that simply because an overall population is doing something does not mean that there are still not outliers that are doing something completely different.  Which is of course the problem!

I have read the fucking stats and there is nothing there to support your suggestion that poor folks tend not to vaccinate in greater numbers.  Indeed on that stats you gave the difference on some of the charts is so small as to likely be statistically insignficant.  I have already referred you to links which suggest that affluent folks are not vaccinated for stupid reasons. 

Wow. So, you're arguing some argument you assumed that I meant, though I never said any of the things that you're claiming.

If you wish to read them be my guest but I am done with you.

Thank god.

[Ed Anger]

I wish CC and Meri would just fuck each other's brains out, as the sexual tension is so thick you can cut it with a knife.

[CountDeMoney]

I wish CC and Meri would just fuck each other's brains out, as the sexual tension is so thick you can cut it with a knife.

Pfft, that never worked for us.   Lying bastard, it was all just about the cock.

[Ed Anger]

I wanted to spoon.

[garbon]

I wish CC and Meri would just fuck each other's brains out, as the sexual tension is so thick you can cut it with a knife.

Gross.

[garbon]

I wanted to spoon.

Gross.