The irregular anti-clerical column: 'Abortion far worse than Child Abuse'

[Alatriste]

When asked about the massive cases of child abuse uncovered in Ireland, he lamented them in one (one!) phrase, proceeded to announce than in any case abortion was far worse and then delivered a stirring tirade on the 40.000.000 'children' 'murdered' in abortions in Spain in 23 years of very limited abortion (only three cases allowed under the law: rape, serious danger for the mother, grave fetus malformations)

Nuff said.

In english

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0529/1224247669311.html

In spanish

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/sociedad/Canizares/ministro/Papa/ve/peor/abortar/abusar/ninos/elpepusoc/20090529elpepisoc_4/Tes

[Josquius]

was made for this.
Damn anti-abortion morons.

[alfred russel]

  The best way to propagandize against some groups is to give them a microphone.

[Valmy]

only three cases allowed under the law: rape, serious danger for the mother, grave fetus malformations

Wow.  I would think even most pro-lifers would grudgingly agree that abortion is probably the lesser of evils in these scenarios.

40,000,000?  You sure have alot of rapes in Spain.

[ulmont]

only three cases allowed under the law: rape, serious danger for the mother, grave fetus malformations

Wow.  I would think even most pro-lifers would grudgingly agree that abortion is probably the lesser of evils in these scenarios.

You didn't watch the Presidential debates last year, did you?

At about 35 seconds in, McCain describes "health of the mother" as "the extreme pro-abortion position."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGZOyxfiNoU

[Valmy]

At about 35 seconds in, McCain describes "health of the mother" as "the extreme pro-abortion position."

That wasn't exactly what he was saying.  He was saying the pro-abortion crowd takes the principal of "health of the mother" to mean anything.

[Neil]

At about 35 seconds in, McCain describes "health of the mother" as "the extreme pro-abortion position."

That wasn't exactly what he was saying.  He was saying the pro-abortion crowd takes the principal of "health of the mother" to mean anything.

Still, it's nice to know that ulmont isn't to be trusted.

[ulmont]

At about 35 seconds in, McCain describes "health of the mother" as "the extreme pro-abortion position."

That wasn't exactly what he was saying.  He was saying the pro-abortion crowd takes the principal of "health of the mother" to mean anything.

Really.  You're going to listen to that quote and say McCain does not describe "health of the mother" as "the extreme pro-abortion position"?   Here, let me give you the transcript:

That's the extreme pro-abortion position, quote, "health."

http://www.wkrg.com/news/article/mccain_obama_last_debate_transcript_page_2/20027/

[ulmont]

Still, it's nice to know that ulmont isn't to be trusted.

It is true that I am not ethnically Albertan.

[Valmy]

Really.  You're going to listen to that quote and say McCain does not describe "health of the mother" as "the extreme pro-abortion position"?   Here, let me give you the transcript:

Well he doesn't really address the question.  Like most Presidential debates he quickly hurries past the idea and goes on to talk about what he really wants to talk about: adoption.

I have a hard time believing he really believes abortion is allowed if the health of the mother is at stake is really that extreme position.  Rather he seems to be saying that idea has been hijacked to basically allow all abortions.  But even if he really was saying that he probably is only saying the party line and wouldn't really outlaw abortions in the event the life or health of the mother is at stake if he had the power to do so.

But who knows?

[PDH]

But who knows?

I do, but only because Neil has allowed this.  Praise Alberta, the Wyoming of the north.

[Neil]

Still, it's nice to know that ulmont isn't to be trusted.

It is true that I am not ethnically Albertan.

Indeed.  You're also an agent of Obamania, and an enemy of the American people.

[Malthus]

The annoying part about this is that it is linked to clerical sex abuse, which makes it more than a trifle odd. It is sort of an attempt at a tu quoque against secular society, but to what end? 

However, as a matter of fact, if one was of the opinion that abortion = murder, then the comparison is clearly a true statement: murder is worse that abuse.

I'm not of the opinion that abortion is murder myself. 

[Valmy]

I'm not of the opinion that abortion is murder myself. 

Abortion clearly kills something and sometimes killing is necessary unfortunately.  But it is not murder until a certain arbitrary point in the pregnancy we struggly to define

[DGuller]

When asked about the massive cases of child abuse uncovered in Ireland, he lamented them in one (one!) phrase, proceeded to announce than in any case abortion was far worse and then delivered a stirring tirade on the 40.000.000 'children' 'murdered' in abortions in Spain in 23 years of very limited abortion (only three cases allowed under the law: rape, serious danger for the mother, grave fetus malformations)

If you have 40 million abortions in 23 years in a country like Spain, then obviously abortion is not that limited in practice.  Either the limitations are not followed in practice, or "serious danger for the mother" is interpreted very loosely.