Seriously, This Is As Bad As The Nazis.

[Admiral Yi]

I'm actually fuzzy on what PC actually means.  Could you clue me in, Yi?

As Shelf alluded to, part of it is just being nice.  No more fag jokes.  No more nigger jokes.

Which is all well and good, but as i already explained where political correctness went off the rails was in handing off to the various oppressed victim groups that had the good fortune or political wile to achieve that status the ability to decide for themselves what is and what is not offensive.  Another failing is to deny members of these groups agency.  They do not make bad choices, they only respond to oppression and victimization.  So all evil in the world is caused by oppressors, i.e. white men.

A good example of the former is the burgeoning intra-black discussion on black culture, responsibility, etc.  I.e. it doesn't help things when young black men act like thugs.  No way a non-black can advance that argument.  But other blacks can, and that was the carefully couched, deeply qualified point that Obama made during his "personal response" to the Zimmerman verdict which I applauded.

[Admiral Yi]

Neo-liberal's an agenda that encompasses Maggie, the IMF and New Labour.

That's what I said.  An understanding that if you fuck with the market the market will fuck with you.

[Razgovory]

I'm actually fuzzy on what PC actually means.  Could you clue me in, Yi?

As Shelf alluded to, part of it is just being nice.  No more fag jokes.  No more nigger jokes.

Which is all well and good, but as i already explained where political correctness went off the rails was in handing off to the various oppressed victim groups that had the good fortune or political wile to achieve that status the ability to decide for themselves what is and what is not offensive.  Another failing is to deny members of these groups agency.  They do not make bad choices, they only respond to oppression and victimization.  So all evil in the world is caused by oppressors, i.e. white men.

A good example of the former is the burgeoning intra-black discussion on black culture, responsibility, etc.  I.e. it doesn't help things when young black men act like thugs.  No way a non-black can advance that argument.  But other blacks can, and that was the carefully couched, deeply qualified point that Obama made during his "personal response" to the Zimmerman verdict which I applauded.

Yet I see the term consistently applied to other things.  For instance there is a whole set of books called "The politically Incorrect guide to _____".  Concerning various topics including Capitalism, the South, The Civil War, Darwin and Founding Fathers.  These books do not seem to all concern themselves with oppression, politeness or victimization.  Unless you use the terms very broadly.

[Admiral Yi]

You've lost me Raz.

[CountDeMoney]

Raz is pretty Razztastic this early in the morning.

[Razgovory]

You've lost me Raz.

I'm suggesting that PC is a vague and useless term.

[Valmy]

For instance there is a whole set of books called "The politically Incorrect guide to _____".  Concerning various topics including Capitalism, the South, The Civil War, Darwin and Founding Fathers.  These books do not seem to all concern themselves with oppression, politeness or victimization.  Unless you use the terms very broadly.

Those cracked me up.  The points on the book covers were so non-sensical.  Things like 'the left-wing communist establishment has told you the Founding Fathers were liberals well we are going to explain to you they were CONSERVATIVES!!111'.

[Jacob]

You've lost me Raz.

You are discussing PC. You offered up a reasonable definition of PC and its usage.

Raz contends the term is vague, fuzzy, and over used. Example evidence to back this up are the prevalence of books such as "the Politically Incorrect Guide to the Founding Fathers" which appear to use a different definition of PC than the one you offered (one that's closer to "pejorative for American liberal"); hence vague, fuzzy, and over used.