How long should Dzhokhar Tsarnaev get behind bars?

Started by merithyn, July 10, 2013, 02:40:01 PM

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Assuming he's found guilty *coughs*, how long should Dzhokhar Tsarnaev get?

American - Death penalty
American - Life w/o parole
American - Life with possibility of parole
American - > 30 years, but not life
American - < 30 years
ROTW - Death penalty
ROTW - Life w/o parole
ROTW - Life with possibility of parole
ROTW - > 30 years, but not life
ROTW - < 30 years
Other - Share with the class, please

Eddie Teach

Quote from: Barrister on July 18, 2013, 03:40:31 PM
But that's because you're the kind of person who writes Anne Franke furry slash fiction. :mad:

Creative?
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But the cover was probably a good idea from Rolling Stone's perspective - it has people talking about Rolling Stone for the first time in a couple of decades...
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Admiral Yi

I wonder how they got their hands on the pic.

Barrister

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Admiral Yi

Quote from: Barrister on July 18, 2013, 04:09:09 PM
Sarcasm?

:unsure:  No.

Is it CGI?  If not, how did they get their hands on a pick of Bomber Boy looking all dreamy and Jim Morrison-like?

The Brain

Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 18, 2013, 04:14:56 PM
Quote from: Barrister on July 18, 2013, 04:09:09 PM
Sarcasm?

:unsure:  No.

Is it CGI?  If not, how did they get their hands on a pick of Bomber Boy looking all dreamy and Jim Morrison-like?

You don't have such pics of yourself?
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garbon

Actually that ny daily news cites it as coming from his twitter account.
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The Brain

Quote from: garbon on July 18, 2013, 04:20:58 PM
Actually that ny daily news cites it as coming from his twitter account.

Can I change my vote to death penalty?
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Barrister

Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 18, 2013, 04:14:56 PM
Quote from: Barrister on July 18, 2013, 04:09:09 PM
Sarcasm?

:unsure:  No.

Is it CGI?  If not, how did they get their hands on a pick of Bomber Boy looking all dreamy and Jim Morrison-like?

That picture has been used numerous times in coverage about Tsarnev.   Here it is on the front cover of the NYT:

http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/2013/05/06/a-bombers-page-one-selfie/

I think it was picked up off a 'social networking' site early on.  There are few pictures out there at all of Tsarnev, and I know I've seen this one before.

RS did crop the pic to focus in on his face though.



Damn - too slow.
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Camerus

Quote from: Savonarola on July 18, 2013, 03:26:49 PM
Quote from: Pitiful Pathos on July 17, 2013, 10:33:12 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 17, 2013, 07:06:30 PM
Pretty good, sure. I don't know about brilliant though. :hmm:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/07/17/boston_bomber_rolling_stone_cover_with_dzokhar_tsarnaev_is_good_journalism.html
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Rolling Stone's Boston Bomber Cover Is Brilliant

By Mark Joseph Stern
Posted Wednesday, July 17, 2013, at 4:16

As the Washington Post's Erik Wemple points out, the image is exploitative—but it isn't just exploitative: It's also smart, unnerving journalism. By depicting a terrorist as sweet and handsome rather than ugly and terrifying, Rolling Stone has subverted our expectations and hinted at a larger truth. The cover presents a stark contrast with our usual image of terrorists. It asks, "What did we expect to see in Tsarnaev? What did we hope to see?" The answer, most likely, is a monster, a brutish dolt with outward manifestations of evil. What we get instead, however, is the most alarming sight of all: a boy who looks like someone we might know.

Give me a break. That paragraph is the very definition of pseudo-intellectual relativism (or perhaps just cynical marketing hucksterism) masquerading as profundity.

Then it's an ideal story for Rolling Stone.

If I wrote the piece I'd make it into a Jihadist "Catcher in the Rye" and I'd call Dzhokhar "This Generation's Holden Caufield."

Yes.   It's just sad (though not surprising) that WP dude and others buy into it though. 

Savonarola

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Quote from: Barrister on July 18, 2013, 03:40:31 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on July 18, 2013, 03:26:49 PM

If I wrote the piece I'd make it into a Jihadist "Catcher in the Rye" and I'd call Dzhokhar "This Generation's Holden Caufield."

But that's because you're the kind of person who writes Anne Franke furry slash fiction. :mad:

Well, yes, there is that.  I see there is a Catcher in the Rye page on Fanfiction.net...

Before I go out I like to get cranked up on Monster.  There's a shit load of energy drinks out there, but they don't do jack.  I mean do you think that little bottle of red bull is going to give you wings like on TV?  You couldn't fit a feather in that can.  Well I got to the fridge and saw that my roommate drank my last Monster.  He'd blame it on his girlfriend later if I said anything.  He could be right; she's seems like the type who's going to be a crack whore someday.  I mean she's nice and all, but she does a lot of drugs; a whole lot.  I'll bet she chased her breakfast pint of vodka with my Monster. Tamerlan would have probably waited around and let him have it when he got back; but I was late anyway it didn't matter anymore.

Tamerlan's my brother; he's the one with the secret plan and all.  He's a good guy, he doesn't smoke or drink and goes to the Mosque and all, but he gets angry sometimes.  They even arrested him once after he slapped around his girlfriend.  She was a total bitch and he said she had it coming for a long time.  She told the cops that he only slapped her lightly so they let him go; lucky for her.  I thought Tamerlan would have knocked her teeth right down her throat for some of the things she said.

I don't go to the mosque.  Tamerlan goes to this really cool one where they talk about how screwed up the America is all the time but it's way across town.  The one at the university is lame, it's filled with the sort of phony Muslim who pretends he's white and pretends he cares about peace.  When I was young we used to go with my uncles to one where all the Iman's would talk about was giving alms and crap like that.  They were all a bunch of phonies, driving big cars and stuff; like they really gave a crap about the poor.   One of them told us boys that our Jihad should be against masturbation.  That still cracks me up; I was going to start a web page about called Jihad against Jacking Off, but I never got around to it.

Anyhow I got down the steps and I realized I didn't have my gloves.  Boston is cold as fuck this time of year, so I shoved them in my pocket and shivered a little as I went on my way.  I turned back for a second and looked at the dorm; good old Pine Dale Hall.  I wondered if I was going to see her again; not that it made any difference.  I was about to flunk out anyway; classes just weren't going my way, plus I owed the university a butt load of money.  That's the one unforgiveable sin at UMass.  You can be dumb as fuck and still graduate but if you have a traffic ticket they're going to withhold your diploma.

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CountDeMoney

Quote from: Savonarola on July 18, 2013, 03:26:49 PM
If I wrote the piece I'd make it into a Jihadist "Catcher in the Rye" and I'd call Dzhokhar "This Generation's Holden Caufield."

Holden A. Bomb.

Savonarola

QuoteU.S. prosecutors seek death for Boston Marathon bombing suspect

BOSTON — Federal prosecutors announced today that they will seek the death penalty against 20-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev in the Boston Marathon bombing, instantly raising the stakes in what could be one of the most wrenching trials the city has seen.

Attorney General Eric Holder's decision to press for Tsarnaev's execution was expected. The twin blasts killed three people and wounded more than 260 others, and 17 of the 30 federal charges against him — including using a weapon of mass destruction to kill — carry the possibility of the death penalty.

"The nature of the conduct at issue and the resultant harm compel this decision," Holder said in a statement.

Tsarnaev has pleaded not guilty. A trial date has not been set.

Prosecutors allege that Tsarnaev, then 19, and his 26-year-old brother — ethnic Chechens from Russia who had lived in the Boston area for about a decade — built and planted two pressure-cooker bombs near the finish line of the marathon in April to retaliate against the U.S. for its military action in Muslim countries. The brother, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, died in a shootout with police during a getaway attempt days after the bombing.

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was wounded but escaped on foot. He was found hiding in a boat in a Boston suburb. Authorities have said he wrote about his motivation for the bombing on the inside of the boat.

"The US Government is killing our innocent civilians," "I can't stand to see such evil go unpunished," and "We Muslims are one body, you hurt one you hurt us all," he allegedly wrote.

The bombings stunned the nation, coming as runners crossed the finish line and friends, families and spectators cheered them on.

Killed were Martin Richard, 8; Krystle Campbell, 29, and Lu Lingzi, 23. At least 16 others lost limbs.

Tsarnaev also is charged in the slaying of a Massachusetts Institute of Technology police officer and the carjacking of a motorist during the getaway attempt.

Tsarnaev's case has attracted a high-profile defense team, including Judy Clarke, a San Diego attorney who has negotiated plea agreements to spare her clients — Unabomber Ted Kaczynski and Olympic Park bomber Eric Rudolph among them — the death penalty.

The Tsarnaev brothers had roots in the turbulent Russian regions of Dagestan and Chechnya, areas that have become recruiting grounds for Islamic extremists. The indictment alleges the brothers downloaded bomb-making instructions from an al-Qaida magazine and gathered material online about Islamic jihad and martyrdom.

Massachusetts abolished its state death penalty in 1984, and repeated efforts to reinstate it have failed. Tsarnaev is the third person in the state to be charged under the federal death penalty.

Since the federal death penalty was reinstated in 1988, 70 death penalty sentences have been imposed, but only three people have been executed, including Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh in 2001. Eight people have been taken off death row by a judicial or executive action, while 59 people remain on death row, according to the Death Penalty Information Center.

The last federal execution was in 2003, when Louis Jones Jr. was put to death for the kidnapping and murder of 19-year-old Army Pvt. Tracie McBride.

So will he get a plea deal, or will it be lethal injection for dear, deranged, Dzhokhar?
In Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace—and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock