Hikikomori: Why are so many Japanese men refusing to leave their rooms?

Started by Savonarola, July 05, 2013, 01:25:29 PM

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QuoteOne way to interpret Matsu's story is see him as being at the faultline of a cultural shift in Japan.

"Traditionally, Japanese psychology was thought to be group-oriented - Japanese people do not want to stand out in a group," says Yuriko Suzuki, a psychologist at the National Institute for Mental Health in Tokyo. "But I think especially for the younger generation, they want more individualised or personalised care and attention. I think we are in a mixed state."

But even hikikomori who desperately want to fulfil their parents' plans for them may find themselves frustrated.

Andy Furlong, an academic at the University of Glasgow specialising in the transition from education to work, connects the growth of the hikikomori phenomenon with the popping of the 1980s "bubble economy" and the onset of Japan's recession of the 1990s.

It was at this point that the conveyor belt of good school grades leading to good university places leading to jobs-for-life broke down. A generation of Japanese were faced with the insecurity of short-term, part-time work.
This.
It is the root of a lot of other Japan's problems to.
So much of Japan's culture is still based on everyone living in pretty immobile small communities. Most Japanese keep the same friends from middle school throughout their entire life. But the world of course is a different place, people move around more, you don't generally inherit your parent's business.
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garbon

Quote from: Ideologue on July 06, 2013, 02:07:25 AM
Quote from: garbon on July 05, 2013, 10:17:59 PM
Disorder isn't a noun? :huh:

I didn't think about that while I was writing it. :P

It isn't something you call a person.  "That guy's a social anxiety disorder."

I guess "shut-in" works, but has somewhat different connotations (suggesting that the person is elderly or otherwise medically unfit).

Whereas hikkomori suggests nothing to most people.
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Quote from: Ideologue on July 06, 2013, 02:07:25 AM
Quote from: garbon on July 05, 2013, 10:17:59 PM
Disorder isn't a noun? :huh:

I didn't think about that while I was writing it. :P

It isn't something you call a person.  "That guy's a social anxiety disorder."

I guess "shut-in" works, but has somewhat different connotations (suggesting that the person is elderly or otherwise medically unfit).

You can use the older term, Agoraphobic.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

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The Call of Cthulhu RPG is a classic when it comes to phobias. An old favorite is making PCs who go insane get fear of confined spaces, fear of clothing and fear of being alone. Hilarity.
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Razgovory

Quote from: garbon on July 06, 2013, 08:08:58 AM
Quote from: Ideologue on July 06, 2013, 02:07:25 AM
Quote from: garbon on July 05, 2013, 10:17:59 PM
Disorder isn't a noun? :huh:

I didn't think about that while I was writing it. :P

It isn't something you call a person.  "That guy's a social anxiety disorder."

I guess "shut-in" works, but has somewhat different connotations (suggesting that the person is elderly or otherwise medically unfit).

Whereas hikkomori suggests nothing to most people.

Keeping anime words out of the English Language is always desirable.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

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I'm still upset they renamed "Number Place" puzzles "Sudoku".  :mad:
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Savonarola

Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 05, 2013, 08:58:55 PM
When it's a million little Sukis that won't leave the house it's news.

Yes, you're right.  As you probably know, the Asahi Shimbun tends to understate issues and doesn't have the hype that America's fine media outlets usually provide.  I didn't know this before going to Japan, and I assumed, based on their reporting, that it was relatively few isolated incidences rather than a larger phenomenon.

How prevalent is Hikikomori in Korea?

In Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace—and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock

Savonarola

Quote from: Ideologue on July 05, 2013, 08:50:48 PM
I was a hikikomori for about six months back in 2011.  I made a joke about it when I was watching Welcome to the NHK, whose protagonist exemplifies the phenomenon, and who tries to get back into socio-economic swing by making a hentai game with his weird fucking neighbor, when I called the show Ide and Lettow Write a Porno.

In truth, I was never as bad as that dude, or true hikis, because I don't have crippling social anxiety.  But I was going a little nuts there for a while.

I saw that "Welcome to the NHK."  The premise of a shut-in who goes on all sorts of wacky adventures seemed flawed to me.

Still, The Continuing Adventures of Ide and Lettow might work as a short story.
In Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace—and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock

Ideologue

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To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Ideologue

Orson Welles was a social butterfly. :unsure:

Or you mean the Camus novel?
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Savonarola

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 06, 2013, 12:00:16 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on July 06, 2013, 11:53:37 AM
The premise of a shut-in who stays shut-in seems boring. :P

The Stranger wasn't bad.  ;)

Meursault goes on all sorts of wacky adventures in the first half of the novel. :frog:
In Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace—and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock

Savonarola

While this sounds insane, there was a month or two in the early 90s when I gave up all human contact to be the god-king of a virtual British Empire.   :(

QuoteThe Japanese men who prefer virtual girlfriends to sex

Unless something happens to boost Japan's birth rate, its population will shrink by a third between now and 2060. One reason for the lack of babies is the emergence of a new breed of Japanese men, the otaku, who love manga, anime and computers - and sometimes show little interest in sex.

Tokyo is the world's largest metropolis and home to more than 35 million people, so on the face of it, it is hard to believe there is any kind of population problem at all.

But Akihabara, an area of the city dedicated to the manga and anime subculture provides one clue to the country's problems.

Akihabara is heaven for otaku.

They are a generation of geeks who have grown up through 20 years of economic stagnation and have chosen to tune out and immerse themselves in their own fantasy worlds.

Kunio Kitamara, of the Japan Family Planning Association, describes many young Japanese men as "herbivores" - passive and lacking carnal desire.

It seems they no longer have the ambition of the post-war alpha males who made Japan such an economic powerhouse and no interest in joining a company and becoming a salary man.

They have taken on a mole-like existence and, worryingly, withdrawn from relationships with the opposite sex.

A survey by the Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare in 2010 found 36% of Japanese males aged 16 to 19 had no interest in sex - a figure that had doubled in the space of two years.

I met two otaku, who believe themselves to be in relationships with virtual girlfriends.

This girlfriend is actually a Nintendo computer game called Love Plus, which comes as a small portable tablet.

Nurikan and Yuge take their girlfriends, Rinko and Ne-ne, on actual dates to the park, and buy them cakes to celebrate their birthdays.

"It's the kind of relationship we wish we'd had at high school," says Nurikan.

In the game he is a 15-year-old, though in reality he is 38.

"As long as I have time, I'll continue the relationship forever," says Yuge, who is 39.

"As she's at high school, she picks me up in the morning and we go to school together. After school we meet at the gates and go home together... In the game I am 17."

Yuge says he often puts Ne-ne - or the games console containing her - into the basket of his bicycle, then he takes photographs of them at his destination.


Though Yuge would like to meet a real woman, and Nurikan is married, they say this is easier than having a real girlfriend.

"At high school you can have relationships without having to think about marriage," says Yuge. "With real girlfriends you have to consider marriage. So I think twice about going out with a 3D woman."

Nurikan says he keeps Rinko a secret from his wife, and hopes he never has to choose between them.

It's hard to avoid feeling that otaku are in a perpetual state of childhood and are quite comfortable with their lives this way.

Exactly why they have retreated into fantasy land is not obvious.

Tokyo-based social commentator Roland Kelts says many young Japanese men are pessimistic about the future. They don't believe they will match their parents' wealth and don't want to commit themselves to relationships.

"If you compare China or Vietnam, most of those kids on scooters going to nightclubs, and dancing their heart away and perhaps having sex - they know it's getting better, they know they are probably going to rock their parents' income," he says. "No-one in Japan feels that way."

Several surveys have shown that even when Japanese men and women are in relationships, they have very little sex. In one survey just 27% said they had sex every week.

Marriage rates are also plunging, and very few babies - only 2% - are born out of wedlock.

Japan's demographic timebomb is also linked to the lack of immigration.

In Britain one in eight people were born abroad, compared to one in 60 in Japan. But immigration in Japan is still heavily restricted, despite a dearth of some qualified workers.

In Britain there are 60,000 healthcare workers from overseas, while in Japan - where there is a serious shortage of nurses - there are only 60.

Japan has managed to preserve its unique culture in an increasingly globalised world but could that very sense of identity stand in the way of solving its population problems?

Or is it just time for Japanese men to grow up, have more sex and make more babies?


I have been to Akihabara.  I remember one of the department stores there had a floor dedicated to dolls.  They had all manner of dresses and accessories; including a long rack of doll lingerie.  You could get doll teddies, doll thongs, doll garters and the like.  Even by the standards of Tokyo it was very, very strange.
In Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace—and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock

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