U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month

[jimmy olsen]

What insane over reach!
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/30/us-usa-germany-spying-idUSBRE95T04B20130630

U.S. taps half-billion German phone, internet links in month: report

(Reuters) - The United States taps half a billion phone calls, emails and text messages in Germany in a typical month and has classed its biggest European ally as a target similar to China, according to secret U.S. documents quoted by a German newsmagazine.

The revelations of alleged U.S. surveillance programs based on documents taken by fugitive former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden have raised a political furor in the United States and abroad over the balance between privacy rights and national security.

Exposing the latest details in a string of reputed spying programs, Der Spiegel quoted from an internal NSA document which it said its reporters had seen.

The document Spiegel cited showed that the United States categorized Germany as a "third-class" partner and that surveillance there was stronger than in any other EU country, similar in extent to China, Iraq or Saudi-Arabia.

"We can attack the signals of most foreign third-class partners, and we do it too," Der Spiegel quoted a passage in the NSA document as saying.

It said the document showed that the NSA monitored phone calls, text messages, emails and internet chat contributions and has saved the metadata - that is, the connections, not the content - at its headquarters.

On an average day, the NSA monitored about 20 million German phone connections and 10 million internet data sets, rising to 60 million phone connections on busy days, the report said.

While it had been known from disclosures by Snowden that the United States tapped data in Germany, the extent was previously unclear.

News of the U.S. cyber-espionage program Prism and the British equivalent Tempora have outraged Germans, who are highly sensitive to government monitoring having lived through the Stasi secret police in the former communist East Germany and with lingering memories of the Gestapo of Hitler's Nazi regime.

A Spiegel report on Saturday that the NSA had spied on European Union offices caused outrage among EU policymakers, with some even calling for a suspension to talks for a free trade agreement between Washington and the EU.

In France, Der Spiegel reported, the United States taps about 2 million connection data a day. Only Canada, Australia, Britain and New Zealand were explicitly exempted from spy attacks.

Snowden, a U.S. citizen, fled the United States to Hong Kong in May, a few weeks before the publication in the Guardian and the Washington Post of details he provided about secret U.S. government surveillance of internet and phone traffic.

He has been holed up in a Moscow airport transit area for a week after U.S. authorities revoked his passport. The leftist government of Ecuador is reviewing his request for asylum.

(Reporting by Annika Breidthardt; Editing by Mark Heinrich)

[Iormlund]

In the end we'll all do the same. You spy us, we spy you. It's only a matter of time.

You gotta love the fake outrage of EU politicians though. If they were intent on stopping this, there a very easy first measure: blacklisting American companies from any service dealing with critical info. That'd be billions lost for Amazon, Citrix, VMware, Microsoft, Oracle, Google ...

[CountDeMoney]

Guess they should've have let Mohammed Atta and his boys hang out there then.

Germans, who are highly sensitive to government monitoring having lived through the Stasi secret police in the former communist East Germany and with lingering memories of the Gestapo of Hitler's Nazi regime.

But tagging Jews with tracking collars is OK.

[Zanza]

I wonder why Germany of all European countries was singled out. More observation than Russia, same level as China...

[CountDeMoney]

I wonder why Germany of all European countries was singled out.

I already answered that question.  It's a springboard to Western Europe for Islamotards.

[Iormlund]

There's an easier answer: industrial espionage.

[CountDeMoney]

Really don't see how metadata farming can help with that.

How exactly does knowing the time, date and length of a call to one phone number to another help us steal radiological imagery developments from Siemens?

[Iormlund]

You can use the metadata to do a lot of things, for example determining the most vulnerable places to attack (like the Russians used as a vector for Stuxnet). Or identifying employees exposed to blackmail.
I would LOVE to have access to those databases. The sheer amount of potential for datamining is staggering.

And in any case the US/UK is also intercepting content.

[CountDeMoney]

Mmm Hmm, yeah.

[Bluebook]

Really don't see how metadata farming can help with that.

How exactly does knowing the time, date and length of a call to one phone number to another help us steal radiological imagery developments from Siemens?

Its not just metadata, it is also content

[Sheilbh]

I wonder why Germany of all European countries was singled out. More observation than Russia, same level as China...

An assessment of Germany's internal security services?

[Zanza]

I wonder why Germany of all European countries was singled out. More observation than Russia, same level as China...

An assessment of Germany's internal security services?

[CountDeMoney]

Its not just metadata, it is also content

So we're going to start this circle jerk conversation again?

[Sheilbh]

If they're not as cooperative as other countries, or not as good, or legally far more restricted then the US would have a good reason to snoop more on Germany.

[Ed Anger]

Good.