Some admissions officials admit that male applicants get special treatment

Started by garbon, June 21, 2013, 01:59:59 PM

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merithyn

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 21, 2013, 11:42:53 PM
I'd say discrimination based on sex is bad in all cases.

I disagree. I think that there are distinct advantages to having a variety of experiences in an educational setting, so actively working to create that environment should be encouraged, not discouraged.

QuoteThe problem is really how come the boys aren't getting better grades and the girls aren't getting better test scores.

It seems to be a uniquely Western problem, which makes me think that culturally we have issues.
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Quote from: merithyn on June 22, 2013, 10:24:47 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 21, 2013, 11:42:53 PM
I'd say discrimination based on sex is bad in all cases.

I disagree. I think that there are distinct advantages to having a variety of experiences in an educational setting, so actively working to create that environment should be encouraged, not discouraged.


I don't understand how "a variety of experiences in an educational setting" is sex discrimination. How would that be connected?
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Quote from: Ideologue on June 22, 2013, 08:35:19 PM
If we were all entrepreneurs, if we were all very good with computer systems, and if we all came up with extremely profitable ideas, we could all be multimillionaires.  The problem is that most of us are really, fundamentally, lazy.

Well even those of us who are not lazy tend to lack those qualities.
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Quote from: merithyn on June 22, 2013, 10:24:47 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 21, 2013, 11:42:53 PM
QuoteThe problem is really how come the boys aren't getting better grades and the girls aren't getting better test scores.

It seems to be a uniquely Western problem, which makes me think that culturally we have issues.

We obviously do.  The problem is that we punish normal adolescent expression of masculinity with means that interrupt education with things like suspensions and jail terms.  It's the same reason men are more likely to be unemployed.  Women are less likely to behave in ways that are against school rules are illegal (they may behave exceptionally poorly, but usually within socially and legally acceptable channels).  Even when they do, they are less likely to receive the same magnitude of punishment.  [citation needed]

Obviously, normal adolescent masculinity should be punished, but it used to be punished with smacks to the face or push-ups and the like, which leave an impression but don't fuck up lives.
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Quote from: Ideologue on June 22, 2013, 08:35:19 PM
If we were all entrepreneurs, if we were all very good with computer systems, and if we all came up with extremely profitable ideas, we could all be multimillionaires.  The problem is that most of us are really, fundamentally, lazy.

An idea can only be had once.  After that, it's a rehash.
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Quote from: DontSayBanana on June 22, 2013, 08:41:41 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on June 22, 2013, 08:35:19 PM
If we were all entrepreneurs, if we were all very good with computer systems, and if we all came up with extremely profitable ideas, we could all be multimillionaires.  The problem is that most of us are really, fundamentally, lazy.

An idea can only be had once.  After that, it's a rehash.

That's Taker talk.
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Quote from: Valmy on June 22, 2013, 08:36:16 PM
Quote from: Ideologue on June 22, 2013, 08:35:19 PM
If we were all entrepreneurs, if we were all very good with computer systems, and if we all came up with extremely profitable ideas, we could all be multimillionaires.  The problem is that most of us are really, fundamentally, lazy.

Well even those of us who are not lazy tend to lack those qualities.

Then there are those of us who have it both ways: unimaginative and lazy
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merithyn

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on June 22, 2013, 03:34:29 PM
I don't understand how "a variety of experiences in an educational setting" is sex discrimination. How would that be connected?

I don't think it is discrimination to try to balance genders, races, cultural backgrounds, etc. If you have a program with 95% women, then I see nothing wrong with giving men a leg up. At the same time, if you have a program with 95% men, I see nothing wrong with giving women a leg up. I don't think anyone should necessarily be shooting for 50/50, but heading toward 70/30 isn't a bad idea.

I know that I'm in the minority here believing this, but I'm okay with that. :)
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Valmy

Quote from: PDH on June 23, 2013, 09:35:47 PM
It's nice to see men getting something good for once.

Preferable admission to crappy Liberal Arts schools?  Meh.
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