The future George Zimmerman Acquittal Trial Megathread!

Started by CountDeMoney, June 20, 2013, 06:21:57 PM

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DGuller

Quote from: Scipio on July 14, 2013, 01:09:59 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 14, 2013, 12:54:18 PM
Quote from: Scipio on July 14, 2013, 12:48:56 PM
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/03/state-map-gun-suicides-traffic-deaths

Surprise, surprise surprise.

What's your point?
Look at all those states in the North with more gun killings than car-related deaths, and the fact that those states include gun-control paradises California and Illinois.
The hidden assumption in your argument is that car death rate is constant across states.  Well, it's not really hidden, it's kind of obvious if you're not a total idiot.


Eddie Teach

I don't know why we insist on lumping suicides and murders together. Personally, I'd prefer suicidal people use a gun rather than a car.
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DGuller

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 14, 2013, 01:29:08 PM
I don't know why we insist on lumping suicides and murders together. Personally, I'd prefer suicidal people use a gun rather than a car.
We insist because far from all suicides are inevitable.  It's not like someone is guaranteed to kill themselves, and is then looking for the most convenient method.  People with guns around actually go through with suicide attempts more frequently, and those suicides attempts are much more successful.  Considering that most people don't try to kill themselves again after first failed suicide attempt, that adds up to a lot of needless deaths due to people keeping guns near them.

Scipio

I look forward to the delicious irony of many new "Trayvon's laws" resulting in increased incarceration of young black males for self-defense shootings.
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Jacob

Quote from: Scipio on July 14, 2013, 01:33:28 PM
I look forward to the delicious irony of many new "Trayvon's laws" resulting in increased incarceration of young black males for self-defense shootings.

Are there a lot of young black male shooters who avoid incarceration due to claims of self-defence presently?

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Jacob on July 14, 2013, 01:35:42 PM
Are there a lot of young black male shooters who avoid incarceration due to claims of self-defence presently?

Plenty of them dead under claims of Possession with Intent to Distribute Skittles already.

Siege



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"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't."

"Laissez faire et laissez passer, le monde va de lui même!"


Neil

Quote from: DGuller on July 14, 2013, 01:32:33 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 14, 2013, 01:29:08 PM
I don't know why we insist on lumping suicides and murders together. Personally, I'd prefer suicidal people use a gun rather than a car.
We insist because far from all suicides are inevitable.  It's not like someone is guaranteed to kill themselves, and is then looking for the most convenient method.  People with guns around actually go through with suicide attempts more frequently, and those suicides attempts are much more successful.  Considering that most people don't try to kill themselves again after first failed suicide attempt, that adds up to a lot of needless deaths due to people keeping guns near them.
You're acting like deaths by suicide are undesirable.
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: DGuller on July 14, 2013, 01:22:33 PM
Quote from: Scipio on July 14, 2013, 01:09:59 PM
Look at all those states in the North with more gun killings than car-related deaths, and the fact that those states include gun-control paradises California and Illinois.
The hidden assumption in your argument is that car death rate is constant across states.  Well, it's not really hidden, it's kind of obvious if you're not a total idiot.

Scippy just doesn't want you to believe that guns acquired in states with notoriously lax gun laws can't be transported across state lines, because as we all know, gun homicides are committed by legal gun buyers in California, Illinois and Maryland. 
Funny how those states are all immediately bordered by gun nutter states with atrocious straw purchase rates: Arizona, Indiana and Virginia.

derspiess

Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 14, 2013, 12:48:35 PM
Quote from: Scipio on July 14, 2013, 12:46:30 PM
Oddly enough, I think statistics will demonstrate that more YBMs die north of Mason-Dixon, where the North has set the niggers free, to quote Randy Newman.

And that's why the real issue is, in the end, guns.  But we can't talk about that.

:sadface:
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DGuller

Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 14, 2013, 01:53:57 PM
Quote from: DGuller on July 14, 2013, 01:22:33 PM
Quote from: Scipio on July 14, 2013, 01:09:59 PM
Look at all those states in the North with more gun killings than car-related deaths, and the fact that those states include gun-control paradises California and Illinois.
The hidden assumption in your argument is that car death rate is constant across states.  Well, it's not really hidden, it's kind of obvious if you're not a total idiot.

Scippy just doesn't want you to believe that guns acquired in states with notoriously lax gun laws can't be transported across state lines, because as we all know, gun homicides are committed by legal gun buyers in California, Illinois and Maryland. 
Funny how those states are all immediately bordered by gun nutter states with atrocious straw purchase rates: Arizona, Indiana and Virginia.
I don't think we even need to go there, although this is also a good argument.  Unless we have border control between state lines, state laws on gun ownership will have only limited effect.  However, despite Scippy's best efforts to present retarded arguments showing the contrary, states with tight gun controls still had lower gun death rates.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: derspiess on July 14, 2013, 02:01:09 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 14, 2013, 12:48:35 PM
Quote from: Scipio on July 14, 2013, 12:46:30 PM
Oddly enough, I think statistics will demonstrate that more YBMs die north of Mason-Dixon, where the North has set the niggers free, to quote Randy Newman.

And that's why the real issue is, in the end, guns.  But we can't talk about that.

:sadface:

In the meantime, I'll just have to be satisfied with accidental household shooting deaths instead.

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