Exodus International Shuts Down

[Razgovory]

I imagine by the time such a "cure" is available to the masses few will care enough to use it.

Eh plenty of the masses today are not as petrified of having gay kids as Raz seems to think they are.

No, but most parents want kids that are like them, and most parents are straight.

[Razgovory]

I imagine by the time such a "cure" is available to the masses few will care enough to use it.

God, I hope so!

Why?

[merithyn]

Why?

Because I don't believe that homosexuality is a negative quality nor something to be "cured", anymore than blue eyes or brown eyes are. And I dislike the idea of designer children.

[Neil]

You're wrong.

[Admiral Yi]

I imagine by the time such a "cure" is available to the masses few will care enough to use it.

You think attitudes will change relatively quickly in the developing world?

[Malthus]

I imagine by the time such a "cure" is available to the masses few will care enough to use it.

You think attitudes will change relatively quickly in the developing world?

They have change immensely in my lifetime in my city.

When I was a kid, the cops used to take people they caught who were visibly gay to deserted places on the lakeshore and beat the shit out of them (the infamous "Cherry Beach Express"). Lots of people thought the cops were doing a good job, cleaning up the 'trash' by discouraging 'open displays of perversion'.

Nowadays, the mayor marches at the head of the Pride parade and the city advertises itself as a marriage destination for gays with cash.

[Razgovory]

Why?

Because I don't believe that homosexuality is a negative quality nor something to be "cured", anymore than blue eyes or brown eyes are. And I dislike the idea of designer children.

You are against the right of parents to choose?

[Razgovory]

I imagine by the time such a "cure" is available to the masses few will care enough to use it.

You think attitudes will change relatively quickly in the developing world?

I'm thinking of a technology change in the next 5-10 years.  Even if the entire developing world wants gay kids (unlikely), the rest of the world may not.

[merithyn]

You are against the right of parents to choose?

One can hope something won't happen without feeling the need to outlaw it.

[garbon]

You are against the right of parents to choose?

One can hope something won't happen without feeling the need to outlaw it.

We do seem to have a strange notion here that if you don't like something, you must be for banning it.

[Razgovory]

You are against the right of parents to choose?

One can hope something won't happen without feeling the need to outlaw it.

You can hope, but lets be realistic here.   People don't have to be anti-gay to want children that are like them.  It's a very common and possibly natural urge.  And many parents look forward to having grandchildren.  And that's ignoring social, and mental problems that often come with homosexuality.

[merithyn]

You can hope, but lets be realistic here.   People don't have to be anti-gay to want children that are like them.  It's a very common and possibly natural urge.  And many parents look forward to having grandchildren.  And that's ignoring social, and mental problems that often come with homosexuality.

Many != all. The point is that I hope that the social and mental problems will be gone by the time this kind of technology is useful because it will be considered just as "normal" to be homosexual as it is to be heterosexual.

[Eddie Teach]

Well, I know you've claimed this isn't true for you, but many people are driven to want children by the biological imperative and that's what makes them willing to put up with the sacrifices it entails. Clearly offspring who are likely to reproduce themselves even if by accident are preferable to ones who take an act of will(and may just as soon settle for raising their partner's or some random strangers spawn) from that point of view.

But I doubt there is a "cure" for homosexuality in the genes anyway.

[Josquius]

I'd think with homosexuality being a tick box a lot of parents would choose a straight kid.
A lot of the time I don't think it would be so much that a kid is gay which is the problem, but that due to being gay the prospect of grandkids has been cut off. The line ends with them.

But I doubt there is a "cure" for homosexuality in the genes anyway.

Yeah, I think it is mostly a case of nurture over nature.
Though I would be willing to believe that the chance of a  kid being gay can be reduced through genetic tampering.

[derspiess]

Dang, time to find a new charity.