Mars needs Women! And Men! (One way ticket only)

Started by Syt, April 19, 2013, 12:28:02 PM

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Syt

Timmay? Are you volunteering? :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22146456

QuoteApplicants wanted for a one-way ticket to Mars

Want to go to Mars? Dutch organisation Mars One says it will open applications imminently. It would be a one-way trip, and the company hopes to build a community of settlers on the planet.

Uncharted waters, mountains or far away lands have always drawn explorers. History books show that desire for adventure, even in the face of extreme danger, did not deter the likes of Columbus or Magellan.

So it is perhaps not surprising that Mars One has already received thousands of prospective applicants. But there is no return - unlike the mission which hopes to fly to Mars and back in 2018.

Future explorers take note. Applicants must be resilient, adaptable, resourceful and must work well within a team. The whole project will be televised, from the reality TV style selection process, to landing and beyond.

On a visit to the BBC's London office, Mars One's co-founder Bas Lansdorp explains why this would be a one-way flight.

During the seven-to-eight month journey, astronauts will lose bone and muscle mass. After spending time on Mars' much weaker gravitational field, it would be almost impossible to readjust back to Earth's much stronger gravity, says Landsorp.

Successful applicants will be trained physically and psychologically. The team will use existing technology for all aspects of the project. Energy will be generated from solar panels, water will be recycled and extracted from soil and the astronauts will grow their own food - they will also have an emergency ration and regular top-ups as new explorers join every two years.

Solar wind
But is it realistic to believe that individuals could live and prosper on the Red Planet?

Mars is in the firing line of the Sun's high energy particles, called solar wind. The atmosphere of Mars is very thin as the solar wind is thought to have stripped much of it away.

On Earth, we are protected from the solar wind by a strong magnetic field. Without this, it would be much more difficult to survive. Although Mars once had similar protection about four billion years ago, today there is no such shield protecting it.

The Martian surface is therefore extremely hostile to life, says Dr Veronica Bray, from the University of Arizona's Lunar and Planetary Laboratory, who is sceptical about the project.

There's no liquid water, the atmospheric pressure is "practically a vacuum", radiation levels are higher and temperatures vary wildly, she says.

"Radiation exposure is a concern, especially during the trip. This can lead to increased cancer risk, a lowered immune system and possibly infertility."

To minimise radiation, the project team will cover the domes with several metres of soil, which the colonists will have to dig up.

"I have no doubt that we could physically place a human being on Mars. Whether they'd be able to survive for an extended period of time is much more doubtful," adds Dr Bray.

Ambassador for the project, Professor Gerard 't Hooft, a recipient of the Nobel Prize for theoretical physics in 1999, admits there are unknown health risks. He says the radiation is "of quite a different nature" than anything which has been tested on Earth.

Technical challenge

"They [the applicants] will be told that there are risks, but it will be our responsibility to keep the risks within acceptable odds."

Nasa astronaut Stan Love knows first-hand the difficulties with technology that his colleagues have experienced on the International Space Station in low-Earth orbit.

The apparatus which recycles human waste and turns "yesterday's coffee into into tomorrow's coffee needs frequent maintenance and would likely not survive years of continuous duty on Mars", he says.

Love has recently returned from Antarctica which he says is a "picnic compared to Mars".

"It's full of water, you can go outside and breathe the air. It's paradise compared to Mars and yet nobody has moved there permanently."

Although dubious about the funding, the technology and the impact of radiation, Love applauds small enterprises like Mars One.

He strongly believes private organisations will help raise awareness and hopefully discover or design some technology which will help future teams reach their goal of landing on Mars.

"We've been dreaming about this for 50 years. The Moon was just supposed to be a stepping stone to Mars. But when you study the problem, you realise it's immensely hard to do this."

Many critics have focused on funding, and whether the project would hold the public's attention for many years. It will cost an estimated £3.8bn ($6bn) to send the first group.

Dr Chris Lintott from Oxford University says that while the project is technologically plausible, he does not think they will find the funding.

"It's about having the political will and the financial muscle to make this happen. That's what nobody has been able to solve so far," he explains.

But Lansdorp sees no issue with funding. He uses the revenue from the worldwide broadcasting rights of the Olympics as a comparison.

"This will be the biggest thing that humanity has ever done. In 15 years people will still be watching.

"Exploring our world, and now beyond is what humans do, it's in our genome. The settlers' dream of going to Mars will come true."

Whether or not the mission will achieve its goal, the publicity generated from the "big-brother" style televised application process means the world will surely be watching.

I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

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katmai

Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son

garbon

QuoteApplicants must be resilient, adaptable, resourceful and must work well within a team

Are there really well-adjusted people who would volunteer to leave Earth forever?
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Caliga

I thought I read that that cool Canadian astronaut who does all the zero-g videos volunteered to make a one-way trip to Mars.
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Josephus

Quote from: garbon on April 19, 2013, 12:31:14 PM
QuoteApplicants must be resilient, adaptable, resourceful and must work well within a team



Well so much for Timmay.
Civis Romanus Sum<br /><br />"My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world." Jack Layton 1950-2011

Neil

Quote from: garbon on April 19, 2013, 12:31:14 PM
QuoteApplicants must be resilient, adaptable, resourceful and must work well within a team
Are there really well-adjusted people who would volunteer to leave Earth forever?
Of course.  Remember, before the age of homosexualism, mankind was capable of great things.
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.

Maximus

Quote from: garbon on April 19, 2013, 12:31:14 PM
Are there really well-adjusted people who would volunteer to leave Earth forever?
I don't know if I'm well adjusted, but before I was married I would certainly have volunteered if they weren't fucking televising the whole thing.

Viking

QuoteApplicants must be resilient, adaptable, resourceful and must work well within a team


Given how reality TV works I'm pretty sure this is not going to work if this is actually the selection criteria. Reality TV needs arguments, drinking, sex, violence and racism to get ratings. Worst show ever.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Maximus

Quote from: Viking on April 19, 2013, 12:45:22 PM
Given how reality TV works I'm pretty sure this is not going to work if this is actually the selection criteria. Reality TV needs arguments, drinking, sex, violence and racism to get ratings. Worst show ever.
Absolutely agree.

Unless they plan to do it penal colony style.

MadImmortalMan

They just want to get the horror and tragedy of the mission's deadly failure on the air.


That said, I'd do it if it weren't televised.
"Stability is destabilizing." --Hyman Minsky

"Complacency can be a self-denying prophecy."
"We have nothing to fear but lack of fear itself." --Larry Summers

garbon

Quote from: Maximus on April 19, 2013, 12:41:46 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 19, 2013, 12:31:14 PM
Are there really well-adjusted people who would volunteer to leave Earth forever?
I don't know if I'm well adjusted, but before I was married I would certainly have volunteered if they weren't fucking televising the whole thing.

Really that little love for Earth?
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

garbon

Quote from: Neil on April 19, 2013, 12:38:34 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 19, 2013, 12:31:14 PM
QuoteApplicants must be resilient, adaptable, resourceful and must work well within a team
Are there really well-adjusted people who would volunteer to leave Earth forever?
Of course.  Remember, before the age of homosexualism, mankind was capable of great things.

Sure there was always the risk that they wouldn't return but I don't think the premise of our manned space travel was - you will never come back.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

katmai

Quote from: garbon on April 19, 2013, 01:03:56 PM
Quote from: Maximus on April 19, 2013, 12:41:46 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 19, 2013, 12:31:14 PM
Are there really well-adjusted people who would volunteer to leave Earth forever?
I don't know if I'm well adjusted, but before I was married I would certainly have volunteered if they weren't fucking televising the whole thing.

Really that little love for Earth?
If you had to put up with Meri's kids....
Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son

Caliga

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garbon

Quote from: katmai on April 19, 2013, 01:05:03 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 19, 2013, 01:03:56 PM
Quote from: Maximus on April 19, 2013, 12:41:46 PM
Quote from: garbon on April 19, 2013, 12:31:14 PM
Are there really well-adjusted people who would volunteer to leave Earth forever?
I don't know if I'm well adjusted, but before I was married I would certainly have volunteered if they weren't fucking televising the whole thing.

Really that little love for Earth?
If you had to put up with Meri's kids....

Drive 'em up to Canada and leave them somewhere. No need to leave the planet. :)
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.