Baseball 2013

[Admiral Yi]

No shit.

[Valmy]

Before they were the New York Highlanders they were the Baltimore Orioles!

Yep for two entire seasons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Yankees#Origins_in_Baltimore_.281901.E2.80.931902.29

This was mostly because the AL had bribed the NL Baltimore Orioles' star John McGraw to jump to the AL and hoped to win over the defunct NL clubs' fans.  It failed miserably but why is not clear.

[Valmy]

No shit.

Yeah the current Orioles were the original Milwaukee Brewers while the current Yankees were the Baltimore Orioles.

[derspiess]

Still trying to figure out the thing about Ohio fans of some specific or non-specific team or sport being so ill-reputed. 

Browns fans?  They have the Dawg Pound, but generate more pity than anything.  They're the Browns.

Bengals fans?  Bungles.  Nuff said.

Reds fans?  They have a sense of entitlement, but when your team goes back to 1869 and had the 70s Big Red Machine that's almost understandable.

Indians fans?  Not known outside the AL Central

Cavs fans?  Have not recovered from the LeBron thing and never will.  Cleveland sucks and they know it.  But they're not Detroit!

Ohio State fans?  A bit dorky, but harmless.


I guess I should've seen Fhzdzhdz's obvious troll, but I haven't heard of "Ohioans" being known to be anywhere near the level of Chicagoans when it comes to obnoxiousness.

[derspiess]

Piecing together a pilgrimage to St. Louis in a couple weeks.  I'm thinking we'll stay at the Hilton right next to the stadium, catch a Cubs game on Sunday, do non-baseball stuff Monday, then a Pirates game on Tuesday, driving home on Wednesday.  Wife seems willing to go along with it, and Tommy is all in-- though I think he has some idea that we're going to hang out at Yadier Molina's house or something.

[Valmy]

Reds fans?  They have a sense of entitlement, but when your team goes back to 1869 and had the 70s Big Red Machine that's almost understandable.

The original 1869 Reds are today's Atlanta Braves.  The Braves fans probably neither know nor care their team is the oldest major professional sports team in the US (if not this entire hemisphere but I could be wrong about that).

[jimmy olsen]

Reds fans?  They have a sense of entitlement, but when your team goes back to 1869 and had the 70s Big Red Machine that's almost understandable.

The original 1869 Reds are today's Atlanta Braves.  The Braves fans probably neither know nor care their team is the oldest major professional sports team in the US (if not this entire hemisphere but I could be wrong about that).

I didn't realize the Braves went further back than Boston! 

[MadBurgerMaker]

Haha the Rangers ended up winning with two homers in the bottom of the 9th. 

[derspiess]

If there's one thing you can depend upon Matt Holliday to do, it's ground into a double play in the 10th inning with 1 out & runners on the corners. Fucker.

[dps]

Reds fans?  They have a sense of entitlement, but when your team goes back to 1869 and had the 70s Big Red Machine that's almost understandable.

The original 1869 Reds are today's Atlanta Braves.  The Braves fans probably neither know nor care their team is the oldest major professional sports team in the US (if not this entire hemisphere but I could be wrong about that).

I didn't realize the Braves went further back than Boston! 

It's not so much that the original Reds franchise moved to Boston as that the Boston team bought up all the assets of the Reds club, including their founder and manager.

[The Minsky Moment]

This was mostly because the AL had bribed the NL Baltimore Orioles' star John McGraw to jump to the AL and hoped to win over the defunct NL clubs' fans.  It failed miserably but why is not clear.

During the 1890s it became common for multiple teams to share common ownership. The old NL Orioles were one of baseball's first great dynastes in -1890s.  But after the 1898 season, the owners began to shift the best players to Brooklyn.  Under economic pressures, the Orioles were dropped from the NL and more stars moved to Brooklyn.  The rump franchise was invited top join the American League and did play as the Baltimore Orioles (AL) for 2 years under McGraw.  They failed in part because most of the top players were left behind in Brooklyn, although McGraw did manage to bring in two promising young future stars - Roger Bresnahan and Turkey Mike Donlin.  Perhaps the bigger problem was that Ban Johnson couldn't get along with McGraw.  In 1902, Johnson suspended McGraw and a few Oriole players for brawling and baiting umpires.  McGraw responded by ditching the team, taking with him Bresnahan, Dan McGann, and Joe McGinnity, among others (eventually Donlin would join with the Giants as well).  The Orioles finished in last with terrible attendance, at which point Ban Johnson brought in two New York investors to salvage the franchise.  Thus, the Highlanders were born.  It is suspected by some that Johnson's intention was to move the Orioles from the start and the McGraw suspension was a pretext of convenience for both parties - McGraw, so he could do a deal with a Giants; Johnson - so he could move a disfavored franchise to New York and put it under new management. 

But it is true that there is a direct connection between the Yankees franchise of today and the old Orioles of the NL.

[derspiess]

Goddamn.  Biggest Cards meltdown I can remember.  Lost 7 straight & are on the verge of a *five* game sweep by the Pirates.  The Pirates are supposed to be fading away at this point in the season.

Seems like the team always falters when I plan a trip out to St. Louis.

[Syt]

Goddamn.  Biggest Cards meltdown I can remember.  Lost 7 straight & are on the verge of a *five* game sweep by the Pirates.  The Pirates are supposed to be fading away at this point in the season.

Still two months to go. I like what teh Pirates do, but I still don't dare to hope.

[Caliga]

Cubs game: rained out.  I wasnt paying attention anyways.    I had many glasses of hard cider.

[derspiess]

Cubs game: rained out.  I wasnt paying attention anyways.    I had many glasses of hard cider.

Don't forget, Goettafest is this week.