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Would a party split benefit the Republicans?

Started by Syt, November 07, 2012, 02:16:23 AM

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Syt

With another lost election, would a party split into "fundamentalists" (Tea Party ilk) and "moderates" help the Republicans?

It would expose the lack of general support tea party might or might not have and allow for the Republicans to pursue the moderate voters and attract more minorities without having to reconcile their views with the extreme conservative wing in their party.

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MadImmortalMan

Fundamentalists would not include the tea party. The main two factions would be the fundies and the tea party actually.


Edit: But the third faction would be the east coast money men. They control the actual strings of party power (all the cash), so that faction would have to fall first.
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Phillip V

They will all no doubt be confused as to what to do. Please at least stop nominating rapist crazies like Akin and Mourdock. I would wait to see what happens over the next few months, especially concerning this "fiscal cliff" and next debt ceiling deadline.

11B4V

No

I dont know what they are, but they are not republicans.
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jimmy olsen

That's not how things work in a two party systems. The factions will fight it out behind closed doors and in primaries.
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CountDeMoney

I was talking to my Dad earlier in the evening, and while he has no real problem with Clintonian Democrats like Obama, he was bemoaning the loss of the "old" GOP;  no more Doles, Fords, Rockefellers or Nixons to be found anymore: the only options nowadays are Budget Crazy, Abortion Crazy, and Batshit Crazy.


Syt

Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 07, 2012, 02:53:26 AM
That's not how things work in a two party systems. The factions will fight it out behind closed doors and in primaries.

Yeah, but at some point in the mid-19th century the Republicans were a new party, too . . .
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MadImmortalMan

I think the days when they can win a majority on the social conservative coalition are ending right now. Something different will happen.
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"Complacency can be a self-denying prophecy."
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CountDeMoney

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 07, 2012, 03:10:27 AM
I think the days when they can win a majority on the social conservative coalition are ending right now. Something different will happen.

To paraphrase Lindsey Graham, they've run out of angry white men.  There just aren't enough to go around anymore.

katmai

Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 07, 2012, 03:13:54 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 07, 2012, 03:10:27 AM
I think the days when they can win a majority on the social conservative coalition are ending right now. Something different will happen.

To paraphrase Lindsey Graham, they've run out of angry white men.  There just aren't enough to go around anymore.

The thing i've heard over and over tonight is how Bush the First got similar amount of White vote % as Romney and won 400 electoral compared to Mitt's just over 200.
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11B4V

Quote from: katmai on November 07, 2012, 03:15:43 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 07, 2012, 03:13:54 AM
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 07, 2012, 03:10:27 AM
I think the days when they can win a majority on the social conservative coalition are ending right now. Something different will happen.

To paraphrase Lindsey Graham, they've run out of angry white men.  There just aren't enough to go around anymore.

The thing i've heard over and over tonight is how Bush the First got similar amount of White vote % as Romney and won 400 electoral compared to Mitt's just over 200.

Reagan coat tails??
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Eddie Teach

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 07, 2012, 03:10:27 AM
I think the days when they can win a majority on the social conservative coalition are ending right now. Something different will happen.

It's not a social conservative coalition, it's an economic conservative coalition. I'm not so sure that if a split happened the Randian wing would be more viable than the traditional values wing either, even if it were more palatable to certain Languishites.
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Razgovory

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 07, 2012, 02:21:27 AM
Fundamentalists would not include the tea party. The main two factions would be the fundies and the tea party actually.
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You keep telling yourself that.
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Susan Collins of Maine now the last New England Republican in Congress?

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